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Old 04-08-2014 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Maybe maybe not. Point is that we need to look at past hiring trends and world events to craft strategy going forward. I would say that the lack of hiring for six years after 1991 and 2001 were not speed bumps, but significant detours.

ACl,

I think you totally misinterpreted my post. That is exactly what I was saying - A future six year stop in hiring will inflict relatively mimimal career "pain" compared to what the '91, and 2000-2001' hires have already been through.

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Old 04-08-2014 | 07:33 AM
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Old 04-08-2014 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Actually we bought part of Pan Am in 91 which brought pilots along with it in 91 and in 2001 we stopped hiring in July right after signing C2K which believe it or not gave some work rules to the company which allowed them to do more with less.

I do agree with what you are saying about hiring trends, however the management team in place at the time has a lot to do with the welfare of the company. The first RA followed by Leo and his cronies did not help our situation with some very poor business decision that the current RA is still having to fix (RJ's for one)

The purchase of ASA and Comair for 2 billion.
2.2 billion stock buy back to prop up managements options.
800 million lost selling fuel hedges

5 billion dollars flushed down the toilet on 3 business decisions. We could have used that cash in 04/05.

Note: current management is awash in stock options. They are pushing hard to raise the stock price because they state it's very good for the company. It's also very good for them and I am sure is a factor in making choices between short term stock gains and the long term business plan. It's only human nature for it to be in the back of their minds.
Old 04-08-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Didn't we just have a fleet break down that shows we don't have a smaller widebody fleet and certainly not a drastically smaller one?
Old 04-08-2014 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
The good news is that the PBS Bid Window has been extended and will now close at 1500E on Sunday, April 13, according to the text I received from ALPA.
You know, they should send out a robocall on that to let everyone know.
Old 04-08-2014 | 08:20 AM
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I don't use easybid because it's been a pain to set up and get on and use it. And I bid reserve for a while that I didn't need it. Last year when I went to bidding a line I started using the Navtech PBS Desktop Bidding Application (copied and pasted) and it's worked for me so far.



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Old 04-08-2014 | 08:22 AM
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Speaking of PBS, it just 5h1t the bed. (1220 EDT) Halfway through my bid, and poof. I hope it saved my work.
Old 04-08-2014 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Hmmm, you were not a Delta pilot then, so your version(revision) of history is a little off. DAL 757 pay was brought up to 767 pay, not the other way around.

You do make a good point though (by accident I'm sure!): Those "fools" at ALPA negotiated a pay rate for the likely 767 replacement (787) that is higher than 767-400/330 pay rates.
2014 Pay Rates

767 $219.62
737 $211.70

$7 and change. If you think that is widebody pay and not 757 more power to you.
Old 04-08-2014 | 08:50 AM
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I have a friend who has conditional employment with Delta, but he's going to a Delta Pilot Review Board because of the Psych Eval. He's military, and has told me that several military guys from his interview group are going to this review board because of the Psych Eval. I've read past post regarding this. I know Delta loves military pilots who are becoming fewer in number these days. What is the likelihood that he'll fly for us? Seems more of a formality to me. He said that his interview went very well.
Old 04-08-2014 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
2014 Pay Rates

767 $219.62
737 $211.70

$7 and change. If you think that is widebody pay and not 757 more power to you.

gzsg,

You are correct that the pay difference is minimal now, but the history of it is pretty complicated and mostly before my time. I believe that serious mid-contract gains were made as certain aircraft were added to the DAL fleet, specifically the 737NG and the 777.

So if the 737's made a huge gain on WB pay in the past and that gain is still evident today, is that necessarily a bad thing?

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