When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.

Serious question do you know for sure that he works at National or is that just your gut?

04-08-2014 | 01:19 PM

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Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.

Yeah, but the way you call someone out is to refute their argument not question their integrity. In my book that is where you go wrong.

Denny

04-08-2014 | 01:26 PM

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Big E 757

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Originally Posted by trlaketige

Our rates were lower, but we kept our pension.

Tr

Frozen pension...and now you have both.

04-08-2014 | 01:27 PM

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index

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

Do you work in management or ALPA?
Or both?

Is there a difference?

04-08-2014 | 01:27 PM

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Alan Shore

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Several studies out there--seems like the "baby boomers" are generally happy to make as much money as possible, even if it means working more. Later generations seek good money, it's true, but also value other forms of compensation very highly--especially time off.

Those are some broad generalizations, certainly. But suffice to say it's not all about straight cash anymore for many younger guys.

I quite agree. We should provide an ability for those who wish to fly (and earn) more and provide more paid time off (e.g., vacation) so that those who do wish to fly more are not compelled to do so.

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

ALPA ought to consider these generational differences...but it's pretty unlikely when all the fat cats are baby boomers.

Are we sniping again?

04-08-2014 | 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

Interesting jumpseat rumor...supposedly we just had 60+ 777 capt retire in the middle of CQ after getting into an argument with the instructor. Backfill anyone?

True story. I don't know any details of how it went down but the pilot who early retired was a great guy.

04-08-2014 | 01:45 PM

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Karnak

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.

That's fair.

Since I don't work for ALPA national, add that quote to the list of things you're wrong about.

When you're done being wrong about me, maybe you could spend a few seconds addressing the statements I made? Is it easier to get a better contract when the company is making a profit, or losing money?

04-08-2014 | 02:02 PM

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orvil

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And a $500 million stock buyback with the stock at even $30 will make how much difference in the stock price? Be sure to factor in that we have around 850 million shares outstanding.... This stock buyback is about something else, and it is nothing nefarious. Personally I think it makes way more sense to use that $500 mil to pay down debt. THe ROI is much much better, but I totally understand their logic in buying stock.

Has anyone watched the series House of Lies"? This is a page out of the House of Lies consulting handbook. It has no benefit to the corporation. It only benefits the consultants and shareholders with maturing stock options. Stock buybacks are ripoffs. Notice they didn't buy anything back when it was trading for $4.00 a share. Stock buybacks only serve to temporarily artificially inflate the stock price. In many cases, stock buybacks hurt the company.

04-08-2014 | 02:38 PM

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Didn't we vote to freeze our pensions before the bankruptcy?

Assuming "we" is NWA ALPA, I don't know when you voted to freeze it, but the freeze didn't happen until after you entered bankruptcy.

BTW, DAL ALPA voted to soft freeze ours too, and the combination of paycut and soft freeze had the same effect as a hard freeze. It was frozen 9 months BEFORE we entered bankruptcy.....but still terminated.