Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-15-2014 | 02:36 PM
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From: Captain Jack
I just had a little eye opener. I've been sitting RES for last 4 months voluntarily. With 117 rules it was a no brainer. I was getting short on the recency and decided fill out the trip buy over going to the sim. I put in for a specific trip and they said no but assigned a 4 day PHX all-nighter. Not a great trip but I have family in PHX and the food is good. I get my March pay statement and find they didn't pay anything for the trip buy and somehow I ended up with less than the Reserve Guarantee. In talking with a supervisor, he says yes there's a mistake. I should've been paid 3:45 total regardless of the number duty periods I flew on the trip buy. It's in the Contract: 11.B.3.... Ouch...bottom line...never do a trip buy the sim pays 3:45 too.
You been on one of those lately? Not the same three bounces and your done like the old days. I'd take the trip. On reserve your pay is unaffected and its no credit.
04-15-2014 | 02:50 PM
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Hawaiian A330 sighting today at the MSP Mx hangar.
04-15-2014 | 03:34 PM
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How does a merger with Hawaiian work pilot wise? Can we revisit that again.
04-15-2014 | 04:02 PM
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04-15-2014 | 04:06 PM
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04-15-2014 | 04:19 PM
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04-15-2014 | 04:30 PM
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Man this is very frustrating. Yes it's their right but....geesh look a little. Holiday weekend coming up.....reserve coverage way down as it is before sick calls.... the greens are going to fly. Nope here come the White nights to pick up the open trips for straight pay. Beautiful and no they were not filling up to trigger. In fact they were very very likely to get it anyway as a green if they had one in. Argh!
1. Some of us drop our crappy trips and then try to find SOMETHING to at least partly fill us back up. That would LOOK like not filling up to trigger... but the NET effect is MORE flying in the pot for others.
2. I drop from the award down to 50-60 hours a month routinely as my final flying. HOWEVER, I also churn 4 to 6 trips through open time via PS and drops and WS attempting to get the max $$ for the least days, in that 50 hours. You'd see that and castigate.
3. Commuters rarely if ever get GS. I look at every GS given out in my category, and 99% of them I COULD NOT BE AWARDED due to the amount of advance notice (minimum). If it's a trip I like and want, and I'm not going to get it by waiting for a GS because I can't make the commute, why shouldn't I grab it as a WS? My goal is QOL, so if I see an easy/short/high-pay trip, I take it and put something else up for swap/drop/pickup.
I will agree with you on this--IF we had better analysis of a bases greenslip awards, when they are given out (block hours, ALV in the base, % lines vs. reserves, how many trip/days are in open time for each day of the month, reserve coverage), THEN we could educate ourselves for how to maximize GS awards, and maybe I could learn enough that I could even get one as a commuter. This is analysis I'd like to see from the union, but it's fairly complex and I can't imagine who might take on the task if I didn't volunteer to do it myself. And I expect someone might be afraid that publishing analysis of maximizing overtime pay would violate some "status quo" or other work-freedom castration we're saddled with.
I know you're just venting, and I think I usually agree with your posts, but IMO anyone that works > ALV (or awarded line) is much more of a problem to the pilot group. Essentially: HO's <<vastly worse<< generalized WSers.
(PS-- YOU could probably do a decent job of starting that GS education by explaining what you look for as a ripe environment and how to get them. If you don't explain the PLAYS to your team-mates, you can't be mad when they don't run their post-patterns right to catch your pass...)
04-15-2014 | 05:22 PM
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I just had a little eye opener. I've been sitting RES for last 4 months voluntarily. With 117 rules it was a no brainer. I was getting short on the recency and decided fill out the trip buy over going to the sim. I put in for a specific trip and they said no but assigned a 4 day PHX all-nighter. Not a great trip but I have family in PHX and the food is good. I get my March pay statement and find they didn't pay anything for the trip buy and somehow I ended up with less than the Reserve Guarantee. In talking with a supervisor, he says yes there's a mistake. I should've been paid 3:45 total regardless of the number duty periods I flew on the trip buy. It's in the Contract: 11.B.3.... Ouch...bottom line...never do a trip buy the sim pays 3:45 too.
04-15-2014 | 05:35 PM
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As a guy who picks up WS, I'm always extremely suspicious of greenslippers castigating my WS.
1. Some of us drop our crappy trips and then try to find SOMETHING to at least partly fill us back up. That would LOOK like not filling up to trigger... but the NET effect is MORE flying in the pot for others.
2. I drop from the award down to 50-60 hours a month routinely as my final flying. HOWEVER, I also churn 4 to 6 trips through open time via PS and drops and WS attempting to get the max $$ for the least days, in that 50 hours. You'd see that and castigate.
3. Commuters rarely if ever get GS. I look at every GS given out in my category, and 99% of them I COULD NOT BE AWARDED due to the amount of advance notice (minimum). If it's a trip I like and want, and I'm not going to get it by waiting for a GS because I can't make the commute, why shouldn't I grab it as a WS? My goal is QOL, so if I see an easy/short/high-pay trip, I take it and put something else up for swap/drop/pickup.
I will agree with you on this--IF we had better analysis of a bases greenslip awards, when they are given out (block hours, ALV in the base, % lines vs. reserves, how many trip/days are in open time for each day of the month, reserve coverage), THEN we could educate ourselves for how to maximize GS awards, and maybe I could learn enough that I could even get one as a commuter. This is analysis I'd like to see from the union, but it's fairly complex and I can't imagine who might take on the task if I didn't volunteer to do it myself. And I expect someone might be afraid that publishing analysis of maximizing overtime pay would violate some "status quo" or other work-freedom castration we're saddled with.
I know you're just venting, and I think I usually agree with your posts, but IMO anyone that works > ALV (or awarded line) is much more of a problem to the pilot group. Essentially: HO's <<vastly worse<< generalized WSers.
(PS-- YOU could probably do a decent job of starting that GS education by explaining what you look for as a ripe environment and how to get them. If you don't explain the PLAYS to your team-mates, you can't be mad when they don't run their post-patterns right to catch your pass...)
1. Some of us drop our crappy trips and then try to find SOMETHING to at least partly fill us back up. That would LOOK like not filling up to trigger... but the NET effect is MORE flying in the pot for others.
2. I drop from the award down to 50-60 hours a month routinely as my final flying. HOWEVER, I also churn 4 to 6 trips through open time via PS and drops and WS attempting to get the max $$ for the least days, in that 50 hours. You'd see that and castigate.
3. Commuters rarely if ever get GS. I look at every GS given out in my category, and 99% of them I COULD NOT BE AWARDED due to the amount of advance notice (minimum). If it's a trip I like and want, and I'm not going to get it by waiting for a GS because I can't make the commute, why shouldn't I grab it as a WS? My goal is QOL, so if I see an easy/short/high-pay trip, I take it and put something else up for swap/drop/pickup.
I will agree with you on this--IF we had better analysis of a bases greenslip awards, when they are given out (block hours, ALV in the base, % lines vs. reserves, how many trip/days are in open time for each day of the month, reserve coverage), THEN we could educate ourselves for how to maximize GS awards, and maybe I could learn enough that I could even get one as a commuter. This is analysis I'd like to see from the union, but it's fairly complex and I can't imagine who might take on the task if I didn't volunteer to do it myself. And I expect someone might be afraid that publishing analysis of maximizing overtime pay would violate some "status quo" or other work-freedom castration we're saddled with.
I know you're just venting, and I think I usually agree with your posts, but IMO anyone that works > ALV (or awarded line) is much more of a problem to the pilot group. Essentially: HO's <<vastly worse<< generalized WSers.
(PS-- YOU could probably do a decent job of starting that GS education by explaining what you look for as a ripe environment and how to get them. If you don't explain the PLAYS to your team-mates, you can't be mad when they don't run their post-patterns right to catch your pass...)
04-15-2014 | 06:09 PM
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From: 777B
117 has a 100 in 28 look back that limits white slipping or green slipping. If you stop white slipping and put in a green slip when you are at the green slip trigger...and everyone else in your category did the same, your luck would change.
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