Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
This is pretty cool...
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.

And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
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This is pretty cool...
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.
And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
For all you young guns, this is what flying used to be like... and it worked.

And if you missed the eclipse last night, you will have 3 more opportunities very soon.
See here
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Hey Timbo,
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?
Hope you are doing well.
OC
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?

Hope you are doing well.
OC
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Delta management is smart and buying Pinnacle was part of their plan to whipsaw the other DCI carriers and reset the DCI pay scales, all while insuring their feed was not disrupted. This might have worked 5-10 years ago, but like you've said, their has been tremendous change in just two years. Delta has spent hundreds of millions on their "experiment" and now the other DCI carriers are not falling into place like they had planned. But, from what I know of Delta management, I guarantee they already have another plan in place.
Endeavor Air announced plans to hire 400 pilots this year (so far they have hired ~15) to staff the CRJ 200s that were supposed to go to the desert, but now there not, but they will, well maybe not if we can staff them!?! The biggest problem Delta/Endeavor has is they can't find anyone who wants to fly a shinny little CRJ200/900 for 20,000 dollars a year. So Delta's next move will be interesting to say the least.
Endeavor Air announced plans to hire 400 pilots this year (so far they have hired ~15) to staff the CRJ 200s that were supposed to go to the desert, but now there not, but they will, well maybe not if we can staff them!?! The biggest problem Delta/Endeavor has is they can't find anyone who wants to fly a shinny little CRJ200/900 for 20,000 dollars a year. So Delta's next move will be interesting to say the least.
You are correct - this management team is much better than many of the recent teams. Management used to spend billions on their "experiments" now according to the above post they are down to only "hundreds of millions."
Seriously though, I agree this management team is much better than the Ron/Leo/Fred/Grinstein crowd, but then again those guys set the bar so low Elmer Fudd would have been an improvement.

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If you say so. I would say that you have already backed off your position that USAir "ruined" America West--after given the facts; and given a few more (which someone might be able to provide since their "wife is an eastie") your post could be seen as completely wrong.
…but I would never do such a thing to someone hiding behind such an insightful, unifying screen name. Guess Delta ruined NW as well, huh?
…but I would never do such a thing to someone hiding behind such an insightful, unifying screen name. Guess Delta ruined NW as well, huh?
Nerd/Brakechatter,
I don't have a dog in this hunt but I would think that you would both agree that "Airlines" don't really ruin other "Airlines" but rather that management ruins airlines.
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The May Capt. bids are available via the backdoor.
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Hey Timbo,
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?
Hope you are doing well.
OC
I have missed the HNL layovers since we stopped serving it with my airplane but the good news they should be returning in June.
If a Hawaiian merger would occur, I have often thought about spending my pre-retirement years flying a narrow body doing day trips.
Hey... I guy can dream, can't he?

Hope you are doing well.
OC
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Precisely. Kind of busy to be on here much anymore, but when I breeze through on a down day--something usually strikes a mini-chord with me. Usually it is pilots taking their eye, or trying to take the groups eyes off the ball with misinformation--as you have seen through.
USAir is an easy target due to the controversy of their SLI with AWA--where courts have actually ruled in the East's favor--bringing the discussion around to ethics. If we are going to delve into ethics, we should certainly evaluate practices at other airlines involving such things as outsourcing, scabbing, trip parking, sick calls, overtime flying while furloughs exist. By all means, questionable ethical practices vary in the eye of the beholder. One persons' questionable ethical practices are another's use of "all available means' within the bounds of law.
Being a bit closer to that situation gives guys the easy ping to think there is bias on my part, when in reality pretty much all of their information is incorrect--including NERDs. No question bias exists on my part, but it is more for the East pilots with whom I have done ALPA work; good union members, and good people who deserve more than they have--and have been doing this much longer than me as well as the people throwing barbs at them from a position of relative stupidity. These same people will change their viewpoint on longevity quite dramatically should the vicious rumor of a merger with a certain Pacific based airline come to fruition. Mine will stay the same, and recent arbitration activity has evolved to give some weight to longevity as well.
As for the "USAir ruined America West" argument, well, that was just laughable. You are correct in that it is a management thing (with DP from America West doing the initiating of the merger), and not a pilot thing, although you would think every pilot in the world grew up wanting to fly for America West when you hear them on here. I sure wish they, and other groups such as SWA, would have done something to improve this profession other than providing the "work more for less" mentality--but thats another discussion…as is arguably the second or third best contract in the industry at USAir back in 2001 when planes started flying into buildings. My opinion, biased as it may seem :roll eyes:, is that these types of airlines are primary catalyst in the erosion of Legacy contracts to there existence today.
Anyway the bias argument is merely a cop out for lack of meaningful discussion and admission that they were incorrect in their initial post. Pretty disappointing from an eagle guy, but whatever. Your point is correct, and more on topic than mine
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