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Old 04-08-2014, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Do you work in management or ALPA?
Or both?
Do you feel the need to ask that of everyone who provides an intelligent and thoughtful response to an economic issue or are you just sniping?

Or both?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by trlaketige View Post
Our rates were lower, but we kept our pension.


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Maybe you kept yours but for the bottom half of the list it was meaningless. My penefit is under the PBGC max so I saw no benefit, other than the massive retirements at age 60... Oops that didn't happen either.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore View Post
Do you feel the need to ask that of everyone who provides an intelligent and thoughtful response to an economic issue or are you just sniping?
When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy View Post
Which had absolutely nothing to do with your lower rates...
You kept your pension because it didn't meet the high threshold required to terminate.
Didn't we vote to freeze our pensions before the bankruptcy?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.
Serious question do you know for sure that he works at National or is that just your gut?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
When a guy who clearly works at ALPA national decides to press the company's agenda here in an effort to manage this pilot group's expectations, he can expect to be called out.
Yeah, but the way you call someone out is to refute their argument not question their integrity. In my book that is where you go wrong.

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Old 04-08-2014, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by trlaketige View Post
Our rates were lower, but we kept our pension.


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Frozen pension...and now you have both.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Do you work in management or ALPA?
Or both?
Is there a difference?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Several studies out there--seems like the "baby boomers" are generally happy to make as much money as possible, even if it means working more. Later generations seek good money, it's true, but also value other forms of compensation very highly--especially time off.

Those are some broad generalizations, certainly. But suffice to say it's not all about straight cash anymore for many younger guys.
I quite agree. We should provide an ability for those who wish to fly (and earn) more and provide more paid time off (e.g., vacation) so that those who do wish to fly more are not compelled to do so.

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ALPA ought to consider these generational differences...but it's pretty unlikely when all the fat cats are baby boomers.
Are we sniping again?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude View Post
Interesting jumpseat rumor...supposedly we just had 60+ 777 capt retire in the middle of CQ after getting into an argument with the instructor. Backfill anyone?
True story. I don't know any details of how it went down but the pilot who early retired was a great guy.
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