DAL 88 Driver

I disagree. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." If we don't learn from what our MEC and pilots have already ratified, then how do we ever achieve anything going forward that even remotely resembles restoration of our profession and our careers? How do we get our MEC to begin pursuing an objective like that if we don't make it clear that their current course and expectations are unacceptable?

That's not just a DPA problem. That line has been crossed on both sides numerous times. Fortunately, it's not the norm on either side. But it does make a convenient straw man if you (not necessarily you, Bar) are wanting to silence one side or the other.

I don't think it's a waste of time. In terms of JV's, I guess it's a waste of time. I agree JV's are important, but there's more to C2015 than just JV's. If you're unconcerned with restoring our pay, then I guess "debating C2012" is a waste of time. Obviously, I don't think it's a waste of time. Again, we need to be learning from our mistakes not repeating them.

That by itself wouldn't satisfy me but it would be a good start. Guys like Tim, Scrappy, "Alfa," slowplay," etc. are the antithesis of what I think we should be working to achieve. Their strategic plan and mindset has set us back years and set us up to make it impossible to recover the lost value of our careers. That's my opinion. I guess that sort of opinion is viewed as confrontational, over the top, and out of bounds here on APC now?

NWA320pilot

OK 737 drivers I need some info...... What headsets are popular with the Delta guppy crowd?

LeineLodge

Telex 850 served me well for the year I was on it. Lightweight, no batteries, and relatively inexpensive. There were 2 or 3 ship numbers that produced some sort of squealing feedback when transmitting, but I worked around that by wearing the headset and then using the handmic to transmit <---pretty rare occurrence given the size of the fleet.

It is by far the loudest flight deck I've worked. The unfortunate part is most crews don't talk via the intercom, which involves a rubber band, so you will inevitably end up pulling the inboard earcup off, resulting in pre-mature, asymmetrical deafness. So for me it wasn't really worth buying an expensive headset to only use 50% of its capability.

acl65pilot

Carl;

Read the PWA. It states that at the end of the three year measurement period, the company has one year to cure the deficit. IE, they are not out of compliance until the end of the cure period. No judge or arbitrator is going to side with labor if you file a grievance before the end of the one year measurement period. The non-compliance does not occur until the end of the cure period. Plain and simple.

We can agree or disagree about the language of the PWA and if it does or does not need to be changed, but what that does not do is change the language DAL is contractually held to. There is not non-compliance until the end of the cure period.

acl65pilot

You miss the point. ALPA does have the data, but the pay data that you have from the internet is just one part of it. ALPA does have the data, but they had to agree not to publish it to see it. ALPA has stated that the data is not as clear as you like to state it to be.

I have not seen the data FWIW.

acl65pilot

Bar, good points. I would also not state your last the way you have. Those negotiations and results did not go unchallenged, it was not the majority position to challenge them more formally. There was plenty of discussion and back and forth on this issue last year, and some of it was in plenary in DC. I think you heard about that.

Oberon

I was scheduled to take a 2:46 van today but I was able to talk to Crew Accommodations (finally) yesterday and get it changed to 2:00. I did my due diligence today and called the van company only to discover that my van time had not been changed. He told me there was a 1:45 van which I'll take. I called Crew Accommodations again to tell them to cancel my original van.

The 1:45 van works because a bottle of mouthwash soiled my extra shirt and I need to stop by the Flight Station (or whatever its called). Hopefully it works out.

Thanks for the help!

Scoop

DAL,

I don't think that is what is going on here. I have been on this thread for years also and every once in a while it takes a downturn. Page after page of back and forth with insults, condescension, and degradation thrown in old can get old real fast. (I am not talking about anyone in particular here - see below regarding nuance).

Dissent is needed on this thread. It would be pretty boring with everyone agreeing with each other. What a lot of guys, including myself, don't like to see are the personal insults.

A lot of communication is nonverbal - we lose that on an internet forum and often guys go high and right at the drop of a hat and then berate and belittle fellow DAL pilots. Sometimes this is out of genuine disagreement, but sometimes it is from the lack of nuance we have on the forum. I don't understand why oftentimes many are not willing to give a fellow DAL Pilot the benefit of the doubt.

In either case it is wrong to get personal, and most guys will not even read these posts past a certain point. The poster who sticks to the facts with a well thought out and analytical post will be the first to change anothers opinion on this forum (if that is even possible ).

I really appreciate the divers points of view even though I don't always agree with them.

Scoop

GunshipGuy

Too bad we didn't bring in some outside consultants to point out to the NC how this language was ripe for abuse. Oh, forgot, we did this on purpose because in-house expertise can and will not be out done. Those silly Fortune 500 companies could learn a thing or two about wasting money on consultants.

rahc

It was only a matter of time.... no more TLV

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