Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-22-2014, 05:34 PM
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[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1689505]I wasn't here then. Neither were you. Can you answer your own question...truthfully?
Carl, I was not here, but it does not mean that those that were here that current do ALPA work and those that currently do not do ALPA work told me exactly what happened with them.
I could ask you, do you work at Air France, do you really know what they make? Sounds absurd eh?
OK, go ask APA why they used ALPA E&FA. How about SWAPA? I am sure their answer is because they just wanted to hire a bunch of defeatist trunk monkeys......
Carl, I was not here, but it does not mean that those that were here that current do ALPA work and those that currently do not do ALPA work told me exactly what happened with them.
I could ask you, do you work at Air France, do you really know what they make? Sounds absurd eh?
One of the biggest fallacies around is that only ALPA and Seham are qualified to write labor contract language. The sad truth is that there are many great law firms that could do this. ALPA will only outsource to one firm, and that firm is either incompetent or complicit with airline management to write language that can't be defended. It's a mess.
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07-22-2014, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As you read there is directive language in the fact that the company "will" return to compliance in the one year cure. If that does not happen, and at the end of this period, and only then is there a violation of the PWA by the "company."
So at 0001 on 1 April 2015, DALPA will do...what, exactly? Laugh at us and say "April Fools?"
07-22-2014, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Obviously, the company won't be in compliance.
So at 0001 the day the "cure" period ends, DALPA will do...what, exactly?
So at 0001 the day the "cure" period ends, DALPA will do...what, exactly?
07-22-2014, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
What is the remedy clause? We will have damages. No doubt. What is the remedy to make us whole?
Also codifying damages of non compliance in the PWA just would make contractual violations a business decision. IE violate the EASK provisions just pay the pilots dollars. Trust me, you do that, you create data that makes violating the PWA a good business decision. IE a dangerous road to travel. Esp w scope.
07-22-2014, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Obviously, the company won't be in compliance.
So at 0001 on 1 April 2015, DALPA will do...what, exactly? Laugh at us and say "April Fools?"
So at 0001 on 1 April 2015, DALPA will do...what, exactly? Laugh at us and say "April Fools?"
07-22-2014, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The topic came up in the context of retirement savings.
Either way, take yearly income, less opportunity cost, compounded by whatever rate you believe. (My investment experience has been an overall 9.5 average, but I use 7 for my retirement modeling) To match what my father enjoys from FedEx, plus inlfation, will take me about 4.5 million in producing assets.
Alternatively take the view that new hires know the deal and lost nothing.
I think those who lost the most are those who have not yet been hired due to outsourcing.
Matters not which view you take. My family dealt with more than 7 years of furlough and I do understand your frustration with events. Even more so since your furlough could have been mitigated better than it was. Rather than complaining about J C Lawson, the Delta MEC could have simply negotiated with Delta to hire Delta pilots at Delta's divisions who were rapidly hiring.
Either way, take yearly income, less opportunity cost, compounded by whatever rate you believe. (My investment experience has been an overall 9.5 average, but I use 7 for my retirement modeling) To match what my father enjoys from FedEx, plus inlfation, will take me about 4.5 million in producing assets.
Alternatively take the view that new hires know the deal and lost nothing.
I think those who lost the most are those who have not yet been hired due to outsourcing.
Matters not which view you take. My family dealt with more than 7 years of furlough and I do understand your frustration with events. Even more so since your furlough could have been mitigated better than it was. Rather than complaining about J C Lawson, the Delta MEC could have simply negotiated with Delta to hire Delta pilots at Delta's divisions who were rapidly hiring.
07-22-2014, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
No idea. The MEC has not made a decision nor do they need to. Not yet. But they are watching it and getting a lot of data on it.
07-22-2014, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Had the best luck with FedEx at the airport. The stores (particularly the former Kinkos) seem to take a perverse pride in not facilitating any business with FedEx at any price.
Have you considered Delta DASH?
Have you considered Delta DASH?
Yes, and that is the option I have chosen. It is a really, really, good deal.
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07-22-2014, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Is the same process we have in place for large violations of the PWA. We can grieve it, or negotiate it. Not sure there is much taste for the second, but the first will take a ton of time during section 6.
Also codifying damages of non compliance in the PWA just would make contractual violations a business decision. IE violate the EASK provisions just pay the pilots dollars. Trust me, you do that, you create data that makes violating the PWA a good business decision. IE a dangerous road to travel. Esp w scope.
Also codifying damages of non compliance in the PWA just would make contractual violations a business decision. IE violate the EASK provisions just pay the pilots dollars. Trust me, you do that, you create data that makes violating the PWA a good business decision. IE a dangerous road to travel. Esp w scope.
07-22-2014, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Search around the posts here from Spring of 2012. My posts included the numbers and the link to the website.
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