Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-23-2014, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
If that's the case, why don't we negotiate new scope restrictions for this scope violation? Ie, they have to go beyond just getting back in compliance, but move another x% of flying to Delta metal? Keeps us from putting a dollar figure with it.
07-23-2014, 03:47 AM
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1.4 Billion 2nd qtr profit. Largest quarterly profit in airline history. Nice job everybody. 
07-23-2014, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Depends on the Council.
Smaller councils depend on support services from either the ATL office, or from Herndon.
ATL and DTW have LEC offices (with one staff person each, I think), but I'm sure they don't work weekends.
I'd have to guess most reps are fully able to launch a council update themselves. No, it's not paid...reps don't get paid anything extra. Trip drops for meetings, lounge visit week and any official LEC work (like a representation).
Everything else is on their own time. Waxing poetic in updates, phone calls, emails, etc, which is pretty much what %90 of a reps work is. Taking care of the pilots in the council is primary focus.
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Smaller councils depend on support services from either the ATL office, or from Herndon.
ATL and DTW have LEC offices (with one staff person each, I think), but I'm sure they don't work weekends.
I'd have to guess most reps are fully able to launch a council update themselves. No, it's not paid...reps don't get paid anything extra. Trip drops for meetings, lounge visit week and any official LEC work (like a representation).
Everything else is on their own time. Waxing poetic in updates, phone calls, emails, etc, which is pretty much what %90 of a reps work is. Taking care of the pilots in the council is primary focus.
Nu
07-23-2014, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Can't help you with the commute, but I have to think that 5:15 per day means that an 83-hour line will be no more than 15 days come November (unless you wind up with trips that get back 0000-0200).
07-23-2014, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Lets try this again Carl. Contractual compliance or non-compliance goes farther than just compliance with the EASK balance listed in the PWA. As you have dutifully copied here, in the PWA, there is a measurement period of three years, that is date defined. Compliance or -non-compliance of the metric that was agreed to, determines not a PWA violation but if the secondary provision of a cure period is triggered.
As you and I are totally aware of, the "company" is below the compliance band, (do not have the exactly number) as it was measured at the end of March 2014, and as a result the cure period as mutually agreed to many moons ago is triggered. Non-compliance of the EASK balance at the end of the measurement period does not equate to a contractual violation.
As you read there is directive language in the fact that the company "will" return to compliance in the one year cure. If that does not happen, and at the end of this period, and only then is there a violation of the PWA by the "company."
I know you know this, but you cherry pick what suits your purpose. Any contract that has a remedy clause in it, with a date specific period, results if the party that has the damages having to wait to file claim until that remedy period is over. It is the same on any contact, labor agreements or otherwise.
As you and I are totally aware of, the "company" is below the compliance band, (do not have the exactly number) as it was measured at the end of March 2014, and as a result the cure period as mutually agreed to many moons ago is triggered. Non-compliance of the EASK balance at the end of the measurement period does not equate to a contractual violation.
As you read there is directive language in the fact that the company "will" return to compliance in the one year cure. If that does not happen, and at the end of this period, and only then is there a violation of the PWA by the "company."
I know you know this, but you cherry pick what suits your purpose. Any contract that has a remedy clause in it, with a date specific period, results if the party that has the damages having to wait to file claim until that remedy period is over. It is the same on any contact, labor agreements or otherwise.
I love ya both, but I believe that you are both arguing in circles around each other over semantics. The fact is that the Company was required by the PWA to fly at 48.5% of Bundle 1 in the first 3-year period. They did not. That violated that part of the language. But...
Rather than filing a grievance to argue over the remedy for that violation, further language prescribes a remedy, to wit that the Company must fly enough in the following year such that the new 3-year period is again in compliance. We're in that period now.
As I believe we all agree on these facts, does it really matter what we call the Company's non-compliance during the first 3-year period? Please cut it out and let's move on to what we expect in return for this violation(s) now and in the future.
07-23-2014, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
1.4 Billion 2nd qtr profit. Largest quarterly profit in airline history. Nice job everybody.
07-23-2014, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Pretty good stuff from the Council 20 meeting
07-23-2014, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Denny F'ing Crane!
07-23-2014, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Looking forward to Nov.
07-23-2014, 04:37 AM
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My advice to ACL, which he disagrees with, is to candidly state the Company is acting in bad faith and is not compliant with the agreement they made. The Company has blown us off and decided to, again, negotiate out of a scope violation, just as they have before.
The obvious question; is we do not enforce the spirit of this JV, will we enforce any scope provision?
This may not be a fair question yet, but it will be timely next spring.
In the mean time numerous questions are being answered about Delta's long term plans. I see a virtual repeat of CapEx coming to acquire "scope busting" airplanes by non seniority list carriers coincidentally when our 717 ' s come up for renewal. I see Delta money will probably be used to help re fleet Virgin and other equity partners. It gets back to the central question, do we continue to liquidate scope as Delta continues to diversify away from Delta pilots?
Our MEC has these same questions and concerns. We have many good advocates, like ACL, working for us. We need them.
Again, we need to be very thoughtful in how we direct their actions.
ACL was strongly against the three year JV window and one year cure. He is correct the MEC can not do anything now. But from my view he is safe saying what the rest of us are thinking and nobody likes the Company's non compliance with our agreement. But then again, what if the Company hits the reset percentage and this was all about nothing? In that case ACL (and others) are being very smart to keep their powder dry and save fire for a smaller measurement period.
He is a smart guy.
The obvious question; is we do not enforce the spirit of this JV, will we enforce any scope provision?
This may not be a fair question yet, but it will be timely next spring.
In the mean time numerous questions are being answered about Delta's long term plans. I see a virtual repeat of CapEx coming to acquire "scope busting" airplanes by non seniority list carriers coincidentally when our 717 ' s come up for renewal. I see Delta money will probably be used to help re fleet Virgin and other equity partners. It gets back to the central question, do we continue to liquidate scope as Delta continues to diversify away from Delta pilots?
Our MEC has these same questions and concerns. We have many good advocates, like ACL, working for us. We need them.
Again, we need to be very thoughtful in how we direct their actions.
ACL was strongly against the three year JV window and one year cure. He is correct the MEC can not do anything now. But from my view he is safe saying what the rest of us are thinking and nobody likes the Company's non compliance with our agreement. But then again, what if the Company hits the reset percentage and this was all about nothing? In that case ACL (and others) are being very smart to keep their powder dry and save fire for a smaller measurement period.
He is a smart guy.
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