Gloopy,

Sadly, this was a chess vs checkers thing. There, I said it. Anyone with any intellectual honesty knows exactly how this plays out from here.

ACL, seriously man...

 

SD memo. No gray area. Company unilaterally altered the contract and took hostages.
And this is one of "our" "union" guys. Good times.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

 

Well... you are correct there! That still burns me up.

Make that "I can only think of one specific instance when..."

 

Nah. While I'm sure volunteering is enlightening, I don't buy in to the mind control bunk. I think you hear that all the time because they need more people to get of their asses and do some of the work. If they didn't want people coming in, they wouldn't be asking for new bodies all the time. JMO.

 

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I don't feel entitled to a job or what comes with it, and feel that a good case needs to be made for why the group deserves what it gets; but I do feel that as part of the pilot group I am entitled to expressing why the GROUP can argue for restoration, or steps toward restoration. Trying to silence dissent to an opinion one does not agree with using the argument that because that someone wasn't personally and directly affected at a moment in time is trying to set them apart from the group. I expect my FO rep to not feel he can't argue for restoration because he has to avoid stepping on the toes of those who would scoff at his not having been personally affected at the time. Agreed?

 

Yes, there was some hyperbole in my statement, and I agree they truly do want the help because there is a lot of work. But many can't help but feel there's more to it than just the work; some indoctrination as well. Not everyone, mind you; I mean, some of it's just a quick intro then some instruction on how to do job XXX and off you go, with updates as needed (or so I would guess). Could see doing some of that myself someday if I'm no longer a commuter getting 83 hour lines with 18 days scheduled.

 

You know you just seem unable to engage in reasonable debate.

But if you want to play that game, how about this...you have no more concept of what it takes to work for the pilot group via union work and doing your best to advance the pilots' collective good than a toddler has of nuclear physics--however you DO know what it feels like to get a perverse adrenaline rush from juvenile keyboard insults.

That said, you are correct about the SD memo--it was a blatant violation of the contract. In fact I was shocked when I first read it because it was so blatant and in our face--actually quite unlike how DL management has behaved in the past.

Having actually done union work in the past--keyboard missiles don't count, by the way--I can tell you unequivocally that in my personal experience the company did not willfully violate the contract. Violations did occur, usually due to schedulers hastily piecing together some trip coverage, or an automation error. In fact we had to fight the company for three months when a computer automation error resulted in a senior pilot getting overlooked for a trip that he should have gotten. Then, even though the software hiccup was not malicious, the company THEN dug in their heels and insisted that there was no harm, no foul. After we finally told the company that this was going to a grievance, they paid up and fixed the problem.

In my experience that was the extent of their maliciousness--at worst a willingness to believe that they were right and no violation occurred, even when the evidence was that one did in fact occur.

But other than the SD memo--which was a bad move--the company truly doesn't deliberately violate the contract--at least until now. I acknowledge that we have a lot of NW management types now running the show, and a year or two from now I might be the loudest decrying management's deliberate violations.

 

Speaking of union work, I'm curious: Does the person who sends out the council Hotline every Sunday get paid for doing that on Sunday, or is strictly volunteer work without any form of pay?

 

Depends on the Council.

Smaller councils depend on support services from either the ATL office, or from Herndon.

ATL and DTW have LEC offices (with one staff person each, I think), but I'm sure they don't work weekends.

I'd have to guess most reps are fully able to launch a council update themselves. No, it's not paid...reps don't get paid anything extra. Trip drops for meetings, lounge visit week and any official LEC work (like a representation).

Everything else is on their own time. Waxing poetic in updates, phone calls, emails, etc, which is pretty much what %90 of a reps work is. Taking care of the pilots in the council is primary focus.

Nu