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UncleSam 04-17-2014 12:51 PM

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Looking for info from some of you travel gurus. I will be traveling to EDI in June and it looks like we will go through LHR to get there. I tried using the myidTravel fares and they are as expensive as a confirmed seat. Anyone got any advice?

orvil 04-17-2014 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1624988)
Here in lies the problem. You DON'T HAVE to acknowledge by 0200 per the contract, only per the letter sent out by SD.


PilotFrog, here is the PWA language. I am following the contract, not SD's letter. I think this part has been beaten to death.

d. be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU:
10 1) after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release (see
11
Section 12 G. 13. 14.), and

12 2) no later than 0200 base time on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, so as
13 to be able to acknowledge



GunshipGuy 04-17-2014 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1624805)
Gunship Guy,

The reason the Supreme Court gets to make interpretations is because that is their job description. They are kinda unique as Courts go, don't you think?

As for precedent, there is none. Action taken under a reservation of rights is not precedent. Wiki's your buddy Reservation of rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bet a negotiated resolution happens before we could get a grievance hearing....

The Dude, you're looking at my take like an engineer with a micrometer when in reality the world is not all black and white. People who have the final say in these matters are people, and people are swayed (consciously and unconsciously) by a multitude of factors. Read "Thinking Fast and Slow". As much as we think we're impartial and can be fair no matter the circumstances, we aren't 100% always like an impartial machine in our thought process--we're all human. My point was simple: delaying for months and months could give one the impression the matter was not as significant to the interested party as it might have been had they taken action (e.g. filing a grievance) on day one.

Check Essential 04-17-2014 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1625011)
PilotFrog, here is the PWA language. I am following the contract, not SD's letter. I think this part has been beaten to death.

d. be required to check his schedule via DBMS or VRU:

10 1) after block-in of the last flight segment of his rotation prior to his release (see


11
Section 12 G. 13. 14.), and


12 2) no later than 0200 base time on his first on-call day following a non-fly day, so as

13 to be able to acknowledge


orvil-
You left out the next few words which are crucial. You're interpreting that section wrong. Under the document that used to be our contract you had to check your schedule after an X day by 0200 because they could give you a trip reporting at 0500. You had to acknowledge within 3 hours of report, thus the 0200 deadline. If you had a trip that reported later then you did not have to acknowledge it at 0200. You could wait until 3 hours prior.
Dickson's contract rewrite eliminates that 3 hours prior language and makes it 10 hours prior. He also eliminated the "last non-fly day schedule check" and just forces everyone to answer the phone at midnight. (or within 2 hours of a call)

You seem to be operating under a sort of "blended contract". Half contract, half Dickson memo. That's a big part of the problem. Nobody knows the real reserve rules. ALPA says they will defend the contract but so far they haven't. Dickson is taking pay from anybody who doesn't obey his memo.

jabwmu 04-17-2014 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1625023)
orvil-
You left out the next few words which are crucial. You're interpreting that section wrong. Under the document that used to be our contract you had to check your schedule after an X day by 0200 because they could give you a trip reporting at 0500. You had to acknowledge within 3 hours of report, thus the 0200 deadline. If you had a trip that reported later then you did not have to acknowledge it at 0200. You could wait until 3 hours prior.
Dickson's contract rewrite eliminates that 3 hours prior language and makes it 10 hours prior. He also eliminated the "last non-fly day schedule check" and just forces everyone to answer the phone at midnight. (or within 2 hours of a call)

You seem to be operating under a sort of "blended contract". Half contract, half Dickson memo. That's a big part of the problem. Nobody knows the real reserve rules. ALPA says they will defend the contract but so far they haven't. Dickson is taking pay from anybody who doesn't obey his memo.

Here was my problem. I finished a trip at 1pm. Checked my schedule at the end of the trip as required. Nothing new on my schedule. Took a flight home at 3pm. At 4:30pm skeds assigned me short call beginning at 4am the following day. I didn't get the voicemail (which isn't notification) until after 6pm. I acknowledged the 4am short call well within the 10 hr mark but more than required per the PWA. I was given a personal drop, lost a days pay, and had a chief pilot review marked on my schedule.

The next day a guy working in the chief pilots office (jc) was less than understanding. Tried to tell me I wasn't "contactable." I told him my reserve obligations which he hardly knew. Tried to tell me I had to check my schedule at 3pm. I asked if he meant the 9 hour check on my last non-fly day. He was not in the interest of the pilot but more the company.

Alpa added my name to the list of pilots not following SD memo. I was only given 1.5 hours to be in compliance with Part 117. Would be nice to get my pay back.

capncrunch 04-17-2014 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1624951)
ATL7ERB, 73NB, and 717B have zero days next month where reserves available meet or exceed reserves required. Should be a fun month...probably a fun summer too.

Does the reserves required have to be met to PD? What about APD?

capncrunch 04-17-2014 01:56 PM

Question:
If I want to move reserve days around for next month, do I have to wait till the PCS runs on the 21st? Also, if the reserves required are not met, can I still move reserve days around or no?

chuck416 04-17-2014 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1625006)
Looking for info from some of you travel gurus. I will be traveling to EDI in June and it looks like we will go through LHR to get there. I tried using the myidTravel fares and they are as expensive as a confirmed seat. Anyone got any advice?

You may want to consider going thru AMS. I think they have 3X or 4X per day to EDI.
Disclaimer: Not a travel guru.

Too Tall 04-17-2014 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1625039)
Question:
If I want to move reserve days around for next month, do I have to wait till the PCS runs on the 21st? Also, if the reserves required are not met, can I still move reserve days around or no?

Yes you have to wait for the first PCS run, and the days must have greater than required reserve coverage. But you can always put the moves in and hope that min reserve coverage might be met.

Too Tall 04-17-2014 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1625037)
Does the reserves required have to be met to PD? What about APD?

Reserve required must me met for a PD, but you can use your APD as long as the reserve required are within 25% I believe.


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