We have a limit of 6 or 7 shortcalls a month. That would not change. Once a reserve was out in the system however I would expect the company would keep him out there via reroutes for a long time.

The pilot would have to acknowledge a long call assignment 10 hours prior to be legal for the trip. That would be voluntary per the contract.

I bet the company is gunning hard to increase the 3 days minimum on-call period in domestic categories, for exactly this reason.

If the company wants to run reserves via reroute, It would certainly be cumbersome for crew tracking to ensure a domestic guy stays out of his base to avoid having to release him...

LIFETXVAL = imputed income for company paid life insurance.

I don't think that's included in Gross Earnings, so it throws off the math.

Interesting. So if a pilot does NOT acknowledge a trip, he is not legal for it. Why would any LC reserve ever acknowledge any trip then? If this is about not being called within the 10 hours prior, it seems as if LC reserve is a license to sit home and do nothing, while watching the SC reserves get rerouted. The only problem there is that you cannot be rerouted infdefinitely, so the net result would be a need for vastly more reserves, and keeping as many as possible on SC. It's a math problem at this point. This will have a lot of value in an upcoming section 6 I would think....

To be truthful, I don't think this is going to have a good outcome. I still think we should be careful for what we are asking.....

Depends on the base. In NY, we never go back thru until the end of the trip. (in the ER category anyway) But for most of the NB categories especially in ATL/DTW, you are probably right.

That was it...Thank you.

I'm missing something and would like to catch up to the conversation.
Why do you say all reserves would be on short call?

We've got a lovely trip now where on day 2 we fly BOS-JFK-SFO, for 8:03 flight time.

When you level off at cruise on the second leg and see that you still have 5 plus hours to go, you think to yourself, "I sure am glad we did that BOS-JFK flight." (No. Not really.) :D

Sailing was saying that long call would be "voluntary" if we win this negotiation/grievance. I'll go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure the company wouldn't want that. OK.. he says that we are only allowed 6/7 SCs/month. I would think you could pretty much count on 7 if this goes thru as he is saying. The company would then want more in the next contract, or we would have to provide some methodology to ensure that LC reserve is not "voluntary". At this point, I do not know enough about the intricacies about this, but it seems that sans relief on the "voluntary" aspect of this, we are gonna see lots more SCs....

That is the first trip I have seen in ages that goes thru NY...