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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1626067)

That's the first I've heard of a May 1 deadline. Good to know.

Exactly. You haven't heard a word about it from your union. The word on the street is that dalpa and the company have agreed that no grievance will be filed as long as they are still talking. Can anyone confirm that?

Sailing is hedging his position. Notice that he said "around May 1st."

I've asked sailing before about his source regarding his assertion that dalpa will file an MEC group grievance at the expiration of 120 days. So far, he's refused to answer the question. So how about it sailing, what's your source?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1626072)

The deadline is driven by the contractual requirements in filing a grievance.

Both sides can agree to waive the 120 day requirement.

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Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1625996)

From WSC: "On an X-day has no obligation to be contactable or to be in a position to report for an inverse assignment."

These attempts from scheduling have been happening more than the pilot group is being led to believe. Threats, pressure and loss of pay are being applied. Know your contract, and call ALPA scheduling. As long as we keep falling for scheduling's fishing expeditions, we have no leverage and worse, you might do something illegal. Far 117 haas been relatively cost neutral mainly because we have not made a unified stand to operate 100% in accordance with the contract. I get it. No one likes to deal with the high pressure threats coming out of the CPO from your fellow seniority list members.

Spot on Flamer.

Although a pilot has no obligation to be contactable on his x-days, is it possible (anyone know if it's FAR legal) that scheduling could assign (on your last on-call day when you ARE contactable) a 30-hr rest period that begins at midnight on your next to last x-day, plus the first 6 hours of your first on-call day and say "there's your 30 hour rest period"?

Or, even worse, could they assign the entire 30 hour rest period on your x-days (ending at midnight before you start LC on your first reserve day) BEFORE you begin your x-days?

I hope that's not the case, but you're right about the fact they have been doing some, shall we say, creative scheduling.

Here's one reason I don't think these two examples could fly. A pilot requesting either a YS or a GS for those days would be shown as "on rest" and would probably not show up in their coverage list.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1626157)

Sailing was saying that long call would be "voluntary" if we win this negotiation/grievance. I'll go out on a limb and say that I am pretty sure the company wouldn't want that. OK.. he says that we are only allowed 6/7 SCs/month. I would think you could pretty much count on 7 if this goes thru as he is saying. The company would then want more in the next contract, or we would have to provide some methodology to ensure that LC reserve is not "voluntary". At this point, I do not know enough about the intricacies about this, but it seems that sans relief on the "voluntary" aspect of this, we are gonna see lots more SCs....

Gotcha. It's a complicated subject. I hope the people representing us know how to play chess.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1626158)

That is the first trip I have seen in ages that goes thru NY...

It was strange. Two very long days to begin the trip, followed by a redeye.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1626157)

I agree, we will also as mentioned see a lot more reroutes. I would pack for a 5 day trip every time.

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1626166)

...is it possible (anyone know if it's FAR legal) that scheduling could assign (on your last on-call day when you ARE contactable) a 30-hr rest period that begins at midnight on your next to last x-day, plus the first 6 hours of your first on-call day and say "there's your 30 hour rest period"?

They certainly can do that.

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1626166)

...could they assign the entire 30 hour rest period on your x-days (ending at midnight before you start LC on your first reserve day) BEFORE you begin your x-days?

They could, but what would be the point? If you're on an X-day, you're already at rest. If you're on two or more X-days, you'll be coming off of more than 30 hours' rest on your first on-call day.

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1626166)

A pilot requesting either a YS or a GS for those days would be shown as "on rest" and would probably not show up in their coverage list.

He certainly should, so long as he does not need the rest to be legal for the YS/GS award.

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1626161)

Both sides can agree to waive the 120 day requirement.

Agreed. And my reps tell me that this requirement has been waived, and that ALPA will confirm this prior to the end of the 120 days with the intent of filing the grievance if the Company does NOT agree to waive.

Thinking of using a "Fly confirmed for less" ticket as a backup to get to LHR in June. Can anyone tell me if those tickets are refundable? The online reference is a lot of mumbo jumbo.

With regard to the FAR part 117, it seems to be an easy fix. Move long call to 16 hours, and we agree to acknowledge by 10 hours, giving us at least a 6 hour window to acknowledge a trip as opposed to the current 2 hour window (worst case scenario).

16 hour long call would really benefit guys that are stuck commuting to reserve.