In his (and PD's) world, it is either a sellout, or they got their clocks cleaned because they are incompetent. The rest of their "argument" is just filler.


See what I mean?

tsquare,
may I ask how you feel about the guys who Delta has stolen from (yes, that's what I said) simply for flying the contract, while some guys have rolled over on SD's memo?

How can there be any "unity" when DALPA says, "It's ok if you follow the contract...and it's ok if you don't! It's up to you!" Because that's exactly what they've said. DALPA has made the contract optional. Truly mind-boggling.

I mean, not everyone is tsquare. Your ingorance of reserve rules and the contract in your posts over the last few weeks indicate that you really don't care about the contract or 117--that you are going to do whatever it takes to get 'er done for Delta. Always have, always will.

But the guys who are manning up, and flying the contract--and getting docked pay as a result--have been hung out to dry by "their" "union."

Let's see some leadership from DALPA. Let's see them say "If you don't fly the contract, you are WRONG."

Would that be a problem for you?

Initial Systems
 

Do we get paid for completing the systems thumb drive for Initial Qual? The WWO cd showed up as an hour or so but the systems didn't.
Returning from LTD, not a new hire, by the way.
Thank in advance,
R1

Pd,

Unfortunately for your "follow the contract" argument, it is perfectly within the confines of the PWA to acknowledge more than 10:00 prior. The problem is in between the 10:00 and the minimum. That disagreement is the minimum acknowledgement... The DAL lawyers would have an injunction on the union really quickly if there was a PR/work action campaign to NOT comply with a "legal" compliance greater than 10:00. I don't want to spend dues on fighting an injunction and possible limitation on activities in a legal "self-help" scenario in the future.

Anti ALPA vitriol and a personal attack all in one post. Kudos.

At least I am man enough to admit that I don't know everything about the contract, and when I don't, I ask for help. You on the other hand, choose to spew nonsense half the time, and just plain incorrect assertions the other. Sometimes, you have a point. Many times, your "point" is to drive home that you hate ALPA and the company because your job interferes with your life. Life's too short.

Back to ignore you go...

And I would wager that if he wanted to wage a "fly by the contract" campaign, he would get his clock cleaned by the company's lawyers... QED his numerous incorrect posts on said contract.

I wonder if Dougie Parker was counting on this to keep his costs down going forward....

You're also "allowed" to keep your phone on 24/7 and answer every incoming call from CS. What's your point?

The contract spells out in unequivocal language what the minimum acknowledgement time is--3 hours prior to report, not 10, nor any other arbitrary number management may decide to put in a memo. That's the reason we have a contract in the first place, so management can't change the work rules on a whim. Unfortunately, our pathetic "union" has completely abdicated it's fundamental duty---to REPRESENT the pilot group and defend the contract.

An injunction for management is not a sure thing. Do you even know what is required to get an injunction? It's actually a pretty high standard.

Here's what the U.S. Supreme Court said about injunctions in Winter v. NRDiC, Inc., 555 U.S. 7 (2008):

"A plaintiff seeking a preliminary injunction must establish that he is likely to succeed on the merits, that he is likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief, that the balance of equities tips in his favor, and that an injunction is in the public interest."

Ask yourself, is it a sure thing that management can prove all four elements? I say no. But even if they did, are we in any worse shape?

What you're really saying is you don't want to fight at all.

What possible "limitation on activities" are you talking about? Other than a strike there is virtually nothing we can do. Management knows this. Is a court going to not let us fly the inflatable rat? That would be too bad because the rat is very intimidating.

The precedent for the vast majority of reserve pilots has been well beyond 10:00. The contract absolutely does allow acknowledgement NLT 3:00 prior to report, agreed. The "past practice" does not show pilots waiting until right before the minimum to acknowledge. An attempt by an RLA regulated labor union to disrupt the flow of commerce will not be met kindly by the federal courts.
I'd say the ability for UAL and AMR to get injunctions for sick calls, DAL getting an injunction for a no overtime campaign, LCC getting an injunction for aircraft write-ups, MSA getting an injunction to prohibit a strike while in BK is an extremely clear indication that management can very easily get injunctive relief when a pilot union intentionally "works to rule" outside of NMB approved self help. But hey, what do I know (other than looking at multiple recent examples within our own industry).:rolleyes:

Incorrect, I'm ready to do whatever is necessary. What I won't do is jump the gun and get emotional over a business negotiation. I prefer my agent to be calm, collected, patient, and willing to take the time to make the right agreement; not pi$$ in my customer's wheaties just to make me feel better.

Now I'm confused. If I check my schedule on my last X day at 10:30 pm and nothing is assigned and I go to bed. Delta calls at 01:30 am and assigns me a 3:30 pm trip. Do I need to acknowledge it prior to 0200 or should I skip it and when I wake up in the morning, call in (but not have 10 hours prior to the trip)"