Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1626845)

I had dinner at The Pig and the Pint. It was pretty good. The menu was confusing and it was not cheap. But, I'm willing to pay for good food. The beer list was good. The list lacked a lager.

While we are on the subject, the hotel desk with the cookies was robbed Tuesday night. The news said it was the second time in a month. Somebody gave chase. Be careful.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1626691)

Scoop,

FWIW, Flight Engineers were not originally "pilots" by any definition. Some had A&P's with IA, but no commercial or ATP ratings. They were mechanics who rode along managing the incredibly complex engines, as well as repairing and fixing them at outstations. Three engine ferry flights were more common than engine swaps on the ramp, but sometimes there was no choice.

My father was one of these A&P, IA's who's first job was to manage these complex turbo-supercharged radial engines, then later taking DC-8's into Asia and Africa to land on steel matting and stuff like that. There was no support infrastructure where many of these cargo operators went.

http://www.seaboardairlines.org/spar.../as_efs415.jpg

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http://www.seaboardairlines.org/spar.../as_efs412.jpg

(second picture note, SO not my father, in his underwear or bathing trunks, on left, changing an engine ... do not report to style police ... apparently socks matching underwear must have been a thing in the 1960's)

I think even Delta had a very small handful as late as the 1990's. ASA negotiated a "Bid Restricted Second Officer SLOA" to offer assistance to Delta "pilot" PFE's who needed training and flight time to meet Delta's minimums for a control seat.

FWIW, my father is a very good pilot. He's an absolutely mind blowing mechanic.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1626826)

It's good that you and purple have made such a careful assessment of the situation and the different paths we might take in finding a solution. I am heartened you took the time to research our legal position and all the past rulings that might influence a grievance. It's great that research and your legal team point out the only proper way to handle this.
The real shame is that our union is such a shoot from the hip bunch that fires first and aims later. I sure wish they could be more like you or perhaps DPA. That group always put out such well researched carefully thought out statements and positions. Damn the luck that we are stuck with a bunch of cowboys running the union.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1626815)

Why is it that you think the union will get hammered. Seems pretty black and white, amirite?

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1626785)

2. The Pig & The Pint. Brand new restaurant a minute and a half walking west of Blimpies on the Ave. Great menu. And of course, great beer. Best restaurant I have eaten at during training by far. They are online and on Facebook. Check it out, won't be disappointed.


https://www.facebook.com/pigandpinta...63771723727583

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1626815)

Why is it that you think the union will get hammered. Seems pretty black and white, amirite?

Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1626766)

I agree that requiring such a schedule check is tantamount to duty. To avoid breaking a pilot's rest at 1500 on his last non-fly-day, the Company has relieved us of this obligation and now considers us to come off of rest at midnight instead. As such, the earliest they can schedule a pilot to report is 1200 on his first on-call day (1000 for short call, although they have stated they will not convert a pilot to short call earlier than 1200 on his first on-call day).

Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 1626913)

Doesn't assignment to short call have the same part 117 acknowledgement requirement as a long call trip (10 hours - 117.25e)? Since you are not required to check you schedule until 0200 on your first on call day, wouldn't 1200 be the earliest you could legally start SC call as well? Sounds like the company is right to not assign SC prior to 1200. Where did 1000 come from?

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1626858)

The Pig and Pint looks interesting, doesn't look far but would that be a safe walk from the Holiday Inn? I've gone across the street to the Italian place but that's about as far as I've gone after dark in that area.

Originally Posted by index (Post 1626866)

My good friends,

This is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

And now I recommend you to go home and sleep quietly in your beds.

Neville Chamberlain's Peace in Our Time speech, delivered at the Heston Aerodrome near London, UK - September 30, 1938