Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1626385)

No, but it could be a backup on the last flight that would get us there for the tour start. We are planning to leave 3 days early. How can you tell if it is refundable? Here is what TravelNet says:

CHANGES/REFUNDS

FARE RULES TEXT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND UNITED KINGDOM DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED. APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ/OK/DL/AS/QX/Z K/ 3M/VS OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS -TO FORM. ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF/AZ / OK/ DL/AS/QX/ZK/3M/VS IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPRA - USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 VIA ATLANTIC IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATLANTIC IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VI A ATLANTIC. COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER DL/AF/KL / AZ/ VS IN RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF ATDLR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2 OR RULE 2222/4444 IN TARIFF TAPVR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POI NT- BWI-WAS FLL-MIA OAK-SFO OAK-SJC SFO-SJC LAX -ONT LAX-BUR LAX-LGB LAX-SNA ONT-BUR ONT-LGB ONT -SNA BUR-LGB BUR-SNA LGB-SNA NYC-EWR

Now, what does that all mean?:cool:

The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1626424)

If you read the fine print, the words purple drank are in there. What does that mean?

Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1626385)

The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1626204)

Short answer-- DON'T USE THEM! They are NOT REFUNDABLE. One of the two of them implies it MAY be refundable depending on the fare rules. I spent 20 min buying some, going over fare rules to ensure I was getting refundable ones.
Two months later, they wouldn't refund them, every person I talked to told me flat out NEITHER was refundable, and I had my non-rev privileges threatened when I asked agent to actually LOOK at the ticket fare rules I had printed out with the tickets showing it WAS refundable.

I've never been as mad at the company as I was then... don't try to save that bogus 10%, it's a scam and you can't trust them-- you don't even get to go through a normal agent, they are all "special reservations" agents for travelnet who basically are in place to stiff arm and threaten you.

Sounds harsh I know, but after going to soooo much effort to ensure I bought refundable tickets, getting $4000 stolen from me administratively by the company taught me my lesson. Now I no longer try to purchase tickets on Delta to help the cause.

Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1626202)

With regard to the FAR part 117, it seems to be an easy fix. Move long call to 16 hours, and we agree to acknowledge by 10 hours, giving us at least a 6 hour window to acknowledge a trip as opposed to the current 2 hour window (worst case scenario).

16 hour long call would really benefit guys that are stuck commuting to reserve.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1626278)

A union rep. He actually stated that a grievance would be filed prior to the expiration of the window to file. I did not ask or consider that they might both agree to a extension. I am told that talks are however in the end game one way or another.

Originally Posted by index (Post 1626513)

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for the answer.

What's your take on the allegation that the ATL CPO has been telling pilots that the terms of 117 have already been agreed to and that there were just a few items outstanding?

Do your sources indicate a deal is likely or not likely?