Short answer-- DON'T USE THEM! They are NOT REFUNDABLE. One of the two of them implies it MAY be refundable depending on the fare rules. I spent 20 min buying some, going over fare rules to ensure I was getting refundable ones.
Two months later, they wouldn't refund them, every person I talked to told me flat out NEITHER was refundable, and I had my non-rev privileges threatened when I asked agent to actually LOOK at the ticket fare rules I had printed out with the tickets showing it WAS refundable.

I've never been as mad at the company as I was then... don't try to save that bogus 10%, it's a scam and you can't trust them-- you don't even get to go through a normal agent, they are all "special reservations" agents for travelnet who basically are in place to stiff arm and threaten you.

Sounds harsh I know, but after going to soooo much effort to ensure I bought refundable tickets, getting $4000 stolen from me administratively by the company taught me my lesson. Now I no longer try to purchase tickets on Delta to help the cause.

That's what I think, too.

Well that sucks.

You're correct. I got carried away with my hypothetical.

But the issue remains for the single x-day. The fact that they could (if indeed they can) just tack on 6 hours of "rest" (on your first on-call day) towards your 30/7 just doesn't seem right.

Now for the bonus question. If scheduling did assign (prospectively for this example) the first 6 hours of your first on-call day as counting towards your 30, how does this change a pilot's obligation to check his schedule on the x-day prior? My gut tells me that, by this change, the x-day is no longer the last "non-fly" day. Therefore, the first on-call day becomes the last (albeit partial) non-fly day and would therefore fall under 23 S 1. d. 2, thus requiring a pilot to check his schedule within 2 hours after the end of such non-fly day, i.e. check schedule by 0800. What say you?

Any bets on who will stay up to be the first to post on this thread starting it's 8th year tonight?

Better yet, let's make it 18 (or more) hours. That way a pilot can check his sched before he goes to bed, turn off his phone, and then check again 8 hours later after he gets up.

I think you're on the right track though. The long call leash is going to have to be lengthened.

80 or FTB.

It would be great to see a comeback of the 80knots clamp show.

Thanks RK. That's what I was afraid of. Looks like Virgin out of JFK would be my best backup. Oh wait, we have an agreement with them.:cool:

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dude time flies. i used to stay up for the clamp show, sometimes I can still do it but i have been house broken.

When is the last time you saw a paycheck in a orange envelope?

Once you upgrade...another 5 minutes of two-engine taxi or 10 minutes of early APU start on every flight for the remainder of your career should put a dent in their $4000.

You might not have the money...but neither will they. :D

But soon, I'm sure they'll use Big Data to beat us down. Another year or two--in fact, probably just in time for the next Section 6--and captains will be getting pinged by the CP: "we see your APU burn time is 20% higher than average for this temperature on this aircraft at this airport. Why don't you take a week off to think about it?"

...and ALPA will threaten to think about possibly considering a weakly worded letter to explore the possibility of a grievance. :cool: