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I got to meet Xtreme150 today. And he got to see what a drunken gorilla looks like flying an Airbus. He didn't want to sit in the jumpseat right behind me because he saw how much I was "accidentally" rubbing the other guy's leg throwing stuff in the trash.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1617717)
Purple,
You are encouraged to attend a training PUB event, or even better the Atlanta N PUB at the 57th Fighter Group on 3 May at 14:00. You might have a different perspective if you listened to and engaged our MEC's Admin and Leadership. You might gain some insight as to the depth of knowledge and experience some of these pilots have. Your "bureaucratic inertia" is another person's "jesh, we negotiated >8% more than our peers when we did Contract 2012 ... lets stick with what works." Is it enough? Will it ever be enough? We will always want and try to get, more. I'm going to try and refrain from insulting you in the fashion that you insult so many who work for you. Rather, you are encouraged to learn, even gain experience if you want to pitch in and help. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1617782)
I got to meet Xtreme150 today. And he got to see what a drunken gorilla looks like flying an Airbus. He didn't want to sit in the jumpseat right behind me because he saw how much I was "accidentally" rubbing the other guy's leg throwing stuff in the trash.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1617759)
Is that the one where the guy flopped in the states but was a massive sensation in South Africa? If so, I've heard really good things about it!
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It's actually quite hard to meet anyone from APC.
I think I met md88Driver the other day in ATL. Can't remember for sure, as he was jinking and jiving as we all do when someone catches us reading APCforums in the lounge lol. Every time I'm in ATL lounge, I walk around looking for some big tall guy staring at a laptop, hoping to meet FTB. I give the underboob hand signal, but no one will admit they know it. Some rambunctious 744 Capt was on my jumpseat the other day, but he claimed he knew of no "Carl", so I didn't ask any more questions. I'm pretty sure I'd recognize Buzz if I get to LAX, but I don't get out there at 2300 when he checks in very often. No one I bump into in PHX will admit to Ferdness. It's actually quite hard to meet other APC browsers. We need a better code-phrase we can throw out there on the JS, something like "Brass Monkey" that's easy to remember and will be noticed by other APCers. Ideas? |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1617839)
It's actually quite hard to meet anyone from APC.
I think I met md88Driver the other day in ATL. Can't remember for sure, as he was jinking and jiving as we all do when someone catches us reading APCforums in the lounge lol. Every time I'm in ATL lounge, I walk around looking for some big tall guy staring at a laptop, hoping to meet FTB. I give the underboob hand signal, but no one will admit they know it. Some rambunctious 744 Capt was on my jumpseat the other day, but he claimed he knew of no "Carl", so I didn't ask any more questions. I'm pretty sure I'd recognize Buzz if I get to LAX, but I don't get out there at 2300 when he checks in very often. No one I bump into in PHX will admit to Ferdness. It's actually quite hard to meet other APC browsers. We need a better code-phrase we can throw out there on the JS, something like "Brass Monkey" that's easy to remember and will be noticed by other APCers. Ideas? Second thought, walking around looking at peoples' crotches might be a little weird. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1617708)
Sounds so simple, eh?
You are encouraged to employ Google and read up on the National Mediation Board, the Railway Labor Act, the procedures and the methods used to negotiate our contract. Also, I would point out that C2012 actually met or exceeded your stated goals in every area, but one. As you read up on the legal environment we must operate under, you will come to the realization that stating objective goals in public as you suggest could be very counter productive to reaching those goals. In the most simple terms the process of mediation implies meeting in the middle. If you state your goals you've actually just set your ceiling. Management will then rest the floor lower ... when they meet you "half way" then you've lost. ... and Purple Drank would constantly remind you how you fell short. Sounds simple, but publishing is a really lousy strategy. We can get into this in greater depth if you want, but off the cuff:
If it were as only simple as some make it out to be, and our volunteers weren't so lazy, we they would be writing us all monthly million dollar checks. Don't get wrong, ALPA has its warts, but after six months of DPA, most people would think in comparison that the DPA would have been rolling in the hay with a diaretic toad. |
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
(Post 1617750)
Between the robocall snafu and our perspectives on PD's posts, has anyone noticed the extraordinary improvement to PBS, namely the Award Pairing Number if Departing On (Ordered) new bid option?
That is what guys have been asking for for years--the ability to rank order trips on the same line and avoid the drudgery and additional bid preferences of having to do it on separate lines. Good work PBS committee! |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1617725)
Not at all, and I see us as having both.
As I understand it, the goals of our MEC are, "To engage anywhere necessary to address opportunities and threats; always protecting and advancing Delta pilot careers, pay, working conditions, benefits and job security." Accountability is ever-present in the fact that our reps are up for re-election every three years and that they appear before us at least every quarter at LEC meetings to report on their activities and to take our input and our criticism. Why can't DALPA set goals that they can be held accountable to? Enough ether, feel-good goals that allow those in leadership positions to claim success no matter how ineffective they may end up being. By contrast our company has set the following goals and expects their success to be measured by them:
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1617866)
Why can't DALPA set goals that they can be held accountable to? Enough ether, feel-good goals that allow those in leadership positions to claim success no matter how ineffective they may end up being. By contrast our company has set the following goals and expects their success to be measured by them:
If you ask ALPA's leadership what they expect ... they might even be able to answer that question. Understand that both ALPA and Management are ships floating in an ocean called the marketplace. Management (even when things are going well) get their forward looking statements wrong as often as they get them right. Most of the Q&A from investors (and from pilots) is comparing forward looking statements to reality then asking, "what changed ?" |
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