It will never, ever happen. DALPA is vehemently opposed to that level of accountability. It's the same reason we'll never see any survey results--either before or after negotiations.

The beauracracy is lazy and bloated; the guys on the gravy train simply lack the leadership and intestinal fortitude to deliver the level of institutional effort required to attain precisely defined goals.

Did we order more aircraft this week?

When's the DPA vote? There's a better alternative. :rolleyes:

You seem to be obsessed with the DPA.

Are you OK with no goals and no survey results (and thus, no accountability) from DALPA?

Not obsessed with DPA, would just like to see a better alternative. Until then, D-ALPA is OUR bargaining agent.

Simple enough?

When I asked a question about the hydraulic system that wasn't covered in the LOD during my second day of training I was told I didn't need to know that.

As one of the 600+ Delta pilots that volunteers on your behalf, I find your level of disdain for your fellow pilots extremely distasteful.

Having seen "how the sausage is made" on a few occasions I can absolutely say you're speaking out of your posterior. With a very rare exception here and there, our guys do an excellent job working on your (and all our) behalf, having nothing but our collective best interest at heart.

If you have constructive criticism, or are actively participating to make it better, then I think we all welcome your input. However, your generalizing/disparaging other Delta pilots continuously shows a lack of class.

How did his post in any way suggest the DPA as a better alternative?

I had a 0410AM van pick up....was not pleased after getting #3 which woke me up for the third time (and finally turning the phone off).

I can understand how my post could be taken as a slight against individual volunteers giving their time with no monetary compensation, and that was not my intent.

My intent was to bash the institutional inertia that seeks primarily to protect, grow, and insulate the bureaucracy; and to call out the paid, non-elected (and often, non-flying) functionaries that, whether intentionally or not, place the health of the bureaucracy ahead of Delta line pilots' best interests.

We both know what I'm talking about.

As for some "constructive criticism," well, as GG and schwanker said: publish some concrete, definable goals. And as many, many of us have said: release the survey results. Show some leadership; embrace the chance to display accountability; make a meaningful, concerted effort to earn back badly shaken trust.