It is more that the designers at Douglas fell into sin and depravity. The creator decided to with hold his air from their wings so that all would perish, but Pratt and Whitney was sent to save Douglas from it's sin. Only through the sacrifice of Pratt and Whitney by fire and smoke is the creator sufficiently pleased to allow Douglas to continue to besmirch aviation.

(yeah, just watched Noah...)

Having done a little bit of volunteer work myself, you need to realize that opinions & attitudes come in all shapes and sizes, and that "unity" doesn't necessarily mean unanimity, holding hands, telling war stories or singing folk songs.

"Everyone's opinion is important to us". Sez so right here on the little card they left on my pillow at the hotel. If you are going to require that all opinions be the emotional equivalent of neatly typed (in triplicate), double spaced, 1 inch margins, and page numbers in the upper right hand corner, I suspect you will be continue to be disappointed.

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Point taken, and I am not advocating for a kumbaya yes-fest.

My post was specifically aimed at PD's (mis)characterization that DALPA worker bees are lazy, ineffective and out for their own advancement by carving out "career" committee positions rather than flying the line. While there certainly have been some that might fit that description, the VAST and I emphasize VAST majority of guys do ALPA work because they want to make things better.

It is not the sweet deal that some make it out to be. I actually had to take a large step back from doing ALPA work as it was sucking too much time away from my family life, and also because I became a pilot to fly planes, not a desk. Those that are currently doing the work, do so with my gratitude. While I may disagree with their methods, results or politics I still appreciate their work on my behalf.

PD's one liner sniper shots at these guys, which are largely unfounded, was what I took issue with. I had him as the sole resident on my ignore list for a long time, but as you correctly point out, he does bring a healthy measure of contrarian views to the party. It's simply the delivery and unbridled disdain for some (IMO) really great volunteers that I was addressing. It IS possible to dissent without disrespecting...

Absolutely correct.

I agree with your last sentence. For the rest of it, who's contract has bested ours, and how do you pattern off of an inferior product?

Purpledrank... dALPA basher.... DPA cheerleader... not much of a reach really.

So when IS the vote?

Best definition ever.......

How could they? Guys like PD then take what they "expect" as being a hard line in concrete somewhere, and if that line is somehow not achieved, want to light torches and take up pitchforks for the execution.

There is a huge difference between the internal goals of a commercial enterprise and the goals of a collective bargaining agent such as our reps. Unlike ALPA, Delta does not have a single protagonist from whom they seek to wrest these goals or out of whose pocket the costs of these goals are paid. Rather, this is the sought-after result of their business plan, which involves a myriad of individual negotiations and/or transactions with customers, vendors, etc.

When I represent a client as a defendant or litigant in a criminal or civil proceeding, we discuss our goals in private and develop our strategy from there. But I NEVER let the DA or opposing counsel know anything specific about our goals, other than our current negotiating position. Only in that way can I reasonably expect to achieve the greatest possible outcome for my clients. This leaves them with no objective means by which to measure my success, only their individual level of satisfaction with the outcome.

IMO, the circumstance of a collective bargaining agent such as ours is much more aligned with that of an attorney such as myself than it is with a public commercial enterprise.

Plus one. Sitting here in the lobby in of the hotel in LHR and I LOL'ed at that one by Scambo. What a great slogan. I might get some stickers made up. DPA-The booger that won't flick.