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Bucking Bar 05-23-2014 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1650091)
I forget who said it, but I agree we REALLY need live video LEC meetings and electronic voting of resolutions. This is the 21st century. As the pilot group becomes more and more commuter, I really don't see any other way. I'm probably the average guy on here, in 18 years I've commuted in for one meeting....and that was during the merger discussions.

T is dead on about longer trips. NWA had a 4:15 minimum day, and it's a huge driver on trip construction. Now, can someone smart explain a minimum day vs what we just agreed to. It looks real similar.......

Ferd

Ferd,

Min day was just that. Every day was worth XX.

We have an average daily guarantee, so on average they must equal XX.

Lets say X=5 ... with two trips which fly 8 / o / 8

Min would be 8/5/8=21
Avg would be 8/0/8=16, 16 > 15 so no credit.

Many airlines that have min days have prorated deals where a part day = part pay.

DAWGS 05-23-2014 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1649949)
We did not add language for SDP so this is not a factor. What we did do was make CDOs possible for both scheduled and IROP situations.

Essentially we have 11 hours, extendable with concurrence and no departure after the WOCL. It also pays 10:30. I don't see this as attractive to the company. A hotel room would have to be provided for greater than 5 hours and very few would extend if the need arose hurting schedule integrity. Could be wrong of course, but I think we will be just fine.

ilinipilot 05-23-2014 09:59 AM

As of today you cannot use the two hours to commute for short call if you are coming off of long call. The only time you can use it is coming off an x day. I talked to a scheduler and supervisor both confirmed this. My question is, is this specifically prohibited by the New ta or just new practice.
Fyi for all commuters

HVYinRESERVE 05-23-2014 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1650093)
So, anyone else been on a 737-900 with a whole lot of slow moving families contributing to an aft CG while unloading?

I had that happen in Seattle. The ground crew came on and said that because there wasn't any cargo up front, the airplane may end up on its tail if the back of the aircraft didn't get off quickly. I didn't stick around to find out :eek:

Sink r8 05-23-2014 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by HVYinRESERVE (Post 1650110)
I had that happen in Seattle. The ground crew came on and said that because there wasn't any cargo up front, the airplane may end up on its tail if the back of the aircraft didn't get off quickly. I didn't stick around to find out :eek:

So naturally you ran out of the front of the aircraft?:)

Sink r8 05-23-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1650091)
T is dead on about longer trips. NWA had a 4:15 minimum day, and it's a huge driver on trip construction. Now, can someone smart explain a minimum day vs what we just agreed to. It looks real similar...

I'll take that, and embarrass myself with a wrong answer:
On a min day, each day has to be brought up to at least the min value, with credit if needed.
On an average daily guarantee, the entire trip has to be equal to the ADG * the number of days on the trip (minus carveouts).

Let's say MIN and ADG are both 5:15.
Let's the trip is blocked 2:15/6:15/4:15, or 12:45 total
With an ADG, you get 5:15 * 3 = 15:45 (because it's > 12:45)
With a MIN, you would get 5:15/6:15/5:15, or 16:45

Of course, keep in mind I have no idea *** I'm talking about, but I think that's how they work.

Sink r8 05-23-2014 10:31 AM

I'm so very glad I answered Ferd's question, then saw Bar already did...

Express pilot 05-23-2014 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1650109)
As of today you cannot use the two hours to commute for short call if you are coming off of long call. The only time you can use it is coming off an x day. I talked to a scheduler and supervisor both confirmed this. My question is, is this specifically prohibited by the New ta or just new practice.
Fyi for all commuters

Call the ALPA Schedulers. Lets us know what they have to say. I have never been told I cannot use the 2 hr commute.

Maddoggin 05-23-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1649907)
There's a 30 minute buffer also.

I suppose they COULD do it. It wouldn't be an official Split Duty under the FARs though.

They would have to schedule it for 11+30 or less, the return leg would have to push before 6 AM, and here's the big one:

It would pay 10+30.

$$ Ka-ching. $$

Speaking of CDO's. This trip didn't pay 10.5 either. This is about as bad of a CDO as they get. I'm assuming this was a cover for a late flight but they can still create CDO like trips when convenient and FAR 117 legal.

Jinks 05-23-2014 11:03 AM

According to the LOA, this is a new change that affects all reserves. So much for protecting the reserve QOL. :(

Two hour commute window now only applies to the first day after a non-fly day. See page 24 of the LOA.


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