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Ferd149 05-23-2014 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1650097)
Ferd,

Min day was just that. Every day was worth XX.

We have an average daily guarantee, so on average they must equal XX.

Lets say X=5 ... with two trips which fly 8 / o / 8

Min would be 8/5/8=21
Avg would be 8/0/8=16, 16 > 15 so no credit.

Many airlines that have min days have prorated deals where a part day = part pay.




Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1650127)
I'll take that, and embarrass myself with a wrong answer:
On a min day, each day has to be brought up to at least the min value, with credit if needed.
On an average daily guarantee, the entire trip has to be equal to the ADG * the number of days on the trip (minus carveouts).

Let's say MIN and ADG are both 5:15.
Let's the trip is blocked 2:15/6:15/4:15, or 12:45 total
With an ADG, you get 5:15 * 3 = 15:45 (because it's > 12:45)
With a MIN, you would get 5:15/6:15/5:15, or 16:45

Of course, keep in mind I have no idea *** I'm talking about, but I think that's how they work.

That makes sense, thanks.

Maybe we want to push for a minimum day then? One of those "work rule raises" that Wall Street or the other employee groups wouldn't see.....

I don't care how we make the W-2 go up as long as it goes up.

Thanks guys

Ferd

qball 05-23-2014 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1650093)
So, anyone else been on a 737-900 with a whole lot of slow moving families contributing to an aft CG while unloading?

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Big%20SeeSaw.jpg

Used to happen a lot on the A320 when the ground crew started unloading the forward cargo bin right away.

qball 05-23-2014 11:40 AM

NHTSB just predicted 380 deaths on our nations highways over the Memorial Day holiday. Can you imagine if a similar prediction was made for US air travel. Everyone have a safe holiday.

Alan Shore 05-23-2014 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Jinks (Post 1650147)
According to the LOA, this is a new change that affects all reserves. So much for protecting the reserve QOL. :(

Two hour commute window now only applies to the first day after a non-fly day. See page 24 of the LOA.

But hasn't the notice for short call been increased by the same two hours from 10 to 12? IOW, yesterday I got 10 hours notice for short call and could use the first two of those hours to commute. Now, I get 12 hours notice and use the same two hours (the ones from 10 to 12) to commute.

What's the difference?

Check Essential 05-23-2014 11:49 AM

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WHOA!

Did the webmasters turn on attachments?

Attachment 1381

I thought that was a no no ?

Scoop 05-23-2014 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jinks (Post 1650147)
According to the LOA, this is a new change that affects all reserves. So much for protecting the reserve QOL. :(

Two hour commute window now only applies to the first day after a non-fly day. See page 24 of the LOA.


Jinks,

I saw that but since we now have a minimum of 12 hours until we start short-call isn't that pretty much a wash? Before you could be notified to start SC in 10 hours and be expected to report at the 12 hour mark.

Now you can be notified that you are starting SC in 12 hours and can be expected to report at the 14 hour mark.

Is this how you guys are interpreting the new rules?

Scoop

Alan Shore 05-23-2014 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1650097)
Ferd,

Min day was just that. Every day was worth XX.

We have an average daily guarantee, so on average they must equal XX.

Lets say X=5 ... with two trips which fly 8 / o / 8

Min would be 8/5/8=21
Avg would be 8/0/8=16, 16 > 15 so no credit.

Many airlines that have min days have prorated deals where a part day = part pay.

Assuming you're referring to the pre-merger NWA contract, the min day of 4:15 applied only to a turn. Otherwise, NWA had a 5:00 duty period average (vs. our current 5:15 duty period average).

I'm not aware of any airline, other than SWA, that has had a calendar day average such as the 5:15 we'll have by November.

Alan Shore 05-23-2014 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1650174)
I saw that but since we now have a minimum of 12 hours until we start short-call isn't that pretty much a wash? Before you could be notified to start SC in 10 hours and be expected to report at the 12 hour mark.

Now you can be notified that you are starting SC in 12 hours and can be expected to report at the 14 hour mark.

Is this how you guys are interpreting the new rules?

That's how I read it.

80ktsClamp 05-23-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1650173)
WHOA!

Did the webmasters turn on attachments?

Attachment 1381

I thought that was a no no ?

I noticed someone attached something yesterday.

Attachment 1382

Oh the pictures ftb and I can have fun with now...

80ktsClamp 05-23-2014 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 1649823)
Being a Navy guy, I'm going to have to go ahead and correct you. That is an F/A-18.

Why would the Navy have anything to do with it? That's obviously Air Force.


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