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Originally Posted by dc10guy
(Post 1648325)
I flew them at NWA a lot. On reserve and as a line holder.they did not always go junior. They even built them into 5 day trips. I know they can not build them into trips with this TA. So, I am told. These split duty trips will not always go senior. They will also go to pilots that did not want them in the TA.
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That was back in 07-10 time frame. When I came back from furlough. It was in the middle of a 5 day. mSP- FSD They did them at least on the dc-9. I know because I was awarded them during the bid. I did not bid CDO's. However; I was awarded them.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1648241)
Thanks for the update.
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1648328)
I don't remember them being built into other trips, but then I was only at NWA from 99-03. Was that after bankruptcy?
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1648280)
I understand the anti-cdo angst coming from guys that only experienced them under RJ operator scheduling, but I also sense a lot of feigned outrage coming from DPA supporters looking for something to be angry about. Anybody that worked in the DC-9 world at NWA knows d@mn good and well that those trips were extremely popular and very rarely ended up in open time. I don't have actual data, but I know that in every DC-9 base there were a lot of senior guys that flew nothing else. In 4 years on the nine I ended up flying one. To claim all those guys flying those trips for all those years were being unsafe is just plain silly.
Originally Posted by dc10guy
(Post 1648325)
I flew them at NWA a lot. On reserve and as a line holder.they did not always go junior. They even built them into 5 day trips. I know they can not build them into trips with this TA. So, I am told. These split duty trips will not always go senior. They will also go to pilots that did not want them in the TA.
I also think it's fair to say that just because something goes senior, it is not necessarily safe. There is little correlation there. The stronger correlation is between senior and money. So the CDO's are being sweetened quite a bit, maybe even to the point where some guys are attracted. Doesn't prove they're safe. The fact guys used to do them before doesn't make them safe. It's also quite safe to say that just because some trips appear on a line, doesn't mean they will be flown by that pilot. Reserves are going to fly these, and probably not by choice. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1648321)
They apparently have clarification from the FAA. Prospective rest does not require acknowledgment. You are presumed to have been notified of the trip when they call and attempt to notify.
A lot of these "interpretations" from various people and organizations are going to water down the intentions of the regulation. We should get something in the contract now, with the intention of getting a new "interpretation" later that changes it for our benefit. We call that deceit, the ATA and company calls that chess. Let's start playing chess. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1648322)
In doing your math you are assuming the loss of credit time from doing a turn vs doing a 3 day, 30 hour layover, one leg each way transcon. In reality, how many of those do we have......I would hazard a guess that it's none. That trip would be a 2 day with no credit, the same as a turn.
I believe this TA can't replace those sort of trips, as the two legs must be < 2hours each. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1648312)
Any more details from the meeting?
The MEC blew right through that issue in about 10 seconds. Nobody expects the company to do that in a domestic market. And if they ever did it would be so rare as to be insignificant. The company wants that language about augmented non-Ocean Crossing flights so they can do augmented trips out of Narita and Haneda to SIN and a few other destinations. The pilots want that language as well. That whole section seemed pretty non-controversial. |
Yeah, there are a lot of DPA pimping and a ton of "the sky is falling" drama, but... sometimes you get a "condescending asshat" comment that just makes you smile. It reminds me of the magic of spoken word poetry. I used "condescending ashat" all last night. You can imagine my wife's delight. And today's turn saw it used just a couple of times. Unfortunately, my 15 year old has greeted this new term as an old friend. Please imagine my wife's delight. (I told her that I heard it from a FA so I could still come to APC.)
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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1648333)
How could prospective be prospective if you don't know about it?
A lot of these "interpretations" from various people and organizations are going to water down the intentions of the regulation. We should get something in the contract now, with the intention of getting a new "interpretation" later that changes it for our benefit. We call that deceit, the ATA and company calls that chess. Let's start playing chess. That is from the FAA. If they were able to get around that, they certainly deviated from the intent of the rule. Must have cost a lot of under the table cash. |
Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1648333)
How could prospective be prospective if you don't know about it?
I think the FAA is probably allowing the company to work this the same way they're getting to set the clock by first attempted contact on trip assignments. I was on LC, and there was a trip in open time 12:07 minutes away. I drove my kid to school, and came back to a couple of message timed at 12:03 before report, and the scheduler made certain to mention the time in both messages. This way, you're not being rewarded for hiding. Not to mention the fact that the contract stipulates that being contactable is your responsibility. As far as lineholders go, if they try to change your rest, since you have no responsibility to be contactable, I think rest can't be prospective until you acknowledge. The TA is addressing rest for LC Reserves. Seems pretty kosher, actually. |
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