Time to trade in "gut feelings" and "probably", "maybe", etc with something more solid to protect those who cannot safely do CDO's and should not be penalized financially or have to do carpet dances in front of the chief pilot for turning them down when they are being forced on the schedule.

The real difficulty here will be the standard problem of politics. "Scrappy" and his team are strongly behind this TA as is Donatelli as stated in his letter. Our reps aren't just faced with the decision of voting their conscience based on our known desires. They're faced with "Scrappy", Donatelli and the rest of the MEC administrators viewing a NO vote by reps as a vote of no confidence against them. Will reps want to deliver that indirect message to the team that are set to take us into Section 6?

I've done CDO's back at NWA. I bid them because they looked so good on paper. With my first two, I got plenty of rest during the day and was unable to sleep during my six hour hotel stay. Last leg home was extremely fatiguing because of no sleep. Next I tried staying active all day so I could sleep during six hour layover. Actual sleep was only about 4 hours and I flew last leg home extremely fatigued due to fighting sleep inertia. Never bid them again.

I'm curious as to how a wrongful death attorney would pursue Delta and the pilot's estate if a CDO pilot caused a fatal car crash on the drive home. Actually, I know exactly what the wrongful death attorneys will do.

Carl

CDO's are a no. Automatic no! But only if we get a vote!

The reps were pretty impressive in the questions they were asking.
Those guys have done their homework.
They were well prepared to grill Scrappy about this agreement.

Everybody has their opinion about whether this agreement is good or bad but I don't think the company is sneaking anything past us.

Split-duty trips are on the table. It is a huge decision for the MEC.
But I think they are doing it with their eyes wide open.

If you don't want these split duty trips, e-mail your rep right now.
They vote tomorrow. They are reading their e-mail.

Let me be the first to welcome you back.

You hit on the head my concern and why I think the SA comparison is invalid. You cannot prepare for the (essentially) IROP that could occur in one of these things. It is a bad idea.

Back pre117, the unwritten guideline was...if you are going to call in sick call in before the 0700 pcs run, that way your trip was available to whiteslip.

Post 117, if you were going to be sick, and called in inside of 16 hrs, the trip would go as a GS.

I don't know that anyone really did this, but it was possible.

Anyway, if the change is to 14, the company is painting itself into a corner for coverage. Imo

Same protection given to the guys made financially whole who got PD's on their lines by following the contract.

Oh wait...

Carl

At this point we might as well reinstate the NWA PWA and paste in the new payrates. Well need KW in CA too.

Shiz,

In a world that the company was not 2 steps ahead of us that would be true and would be great. I hope you are correct, but I foresee those trips being modified to increase productivity.

If what you say comes to pass I will obviously be very happy and modify my bidding strategy. :D

Scoop

Well first of all we do not know the resolution of that, and secondly it is two different things