I don't want it to be so Clamp. I have no desire to see you used by a rep for forum management. It's just my sense of what happened to you.

Carl

Ed;
my eyes were good enough to read the little pic.






with cheaters on.:D

I'd put all my money down that they were proposed to solve the 30 hour layover issue. Reading between the lines, the cost difference of the LOA was 40 million with, and 38 million without... so the SDPs were actually projected to pay us more overall and cost the company a bit more.

They really should have tried to get a better profile of the pilot group before throwing those things into the contract. I'd like to know who the MEC person was that has fond memories of "illegals" that planted that in the NC's head to pursue. I'd love to see how many emails and calls were made that made enough impact to send it back to process.

It wasn't pretty, but the final product did turn out good.

Other than the fact that the MEMRAT vote failed by 2 votes (11 to 8), I think you're probably right that we got played. ADG going to 5:15 is a possible good thing depending on how management responds to attempt to use or misuse it. Crew rest on the A330 appears to be a clear improvement also. Everything else seems like moving the deck chairs around at best.

Carl

I agree the final product is generally solid. It would be really interesting to know how many emails the reps were flailing with. Mine answered me- which was a surprise-after the fact.

As I said earlier, the CDOs don't and probably wont affect me, but once you see them on paper, with how little rest...I had to take a stand against them for the greater good.

I told my rep yes to memrat. Once the CDOs were removed, it was less/not important to me, but I think it should have been memory ratted. It is a pretty significant TA. I was fine with status quo, so I personally was in no hurry.

Agreed all around. I'll take the darts for giving the feedback that I didn't really care about memory rat anymore after the CDOs were removed. Seemed like a big to do over something that was certain to pass by a huge margin.

That being said... perhaps some resolutions in the future to require any scheduling section changes are automatically sent to memory rat are in order. UA has that... I don't disagree with it. Most arguing for memory rat in this case are standing by their principles instead of the logical conclusion that the revised LOA would have certainly passed. Nothing wrong with that. The union doesn't have to spend a million bucks to do every vote for sure.

Everything is relative. That looks like a pretty high bar to me ....................................if your doing the limbo.

Scoop :D

Didn't want you to get up to get your cheaters unless they were in the kitchen next to a BLT :)

There are also some pilots who like CDOs. How many? Unknown.

If you can handle the circadian aspect, they are very efficient and pay well.

Hmm... Strictly voluntary split duty periods?

You're right. I'd be willing to bet the scope of use of them would have been less than the bad predictions (due to the high credit).

Is the latter worth letting the camel in? Perhaps... My initial threshold was that it should be limited enough to where only the people that wanted to do them could do them.