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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1648641)

Well first of all we do not know the resolution of that,

A great segue to my next point, which is: How is it that we don't already know? How is it that those pilots being made whole is not in writing either in the TA or an MOU?

Hostages were taken by a management team that constantly touts the spirit of the Delta family. Any TA that doesn't include making these "family members" whole is unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1648641)

and secondly it is two different things

It's the exact same thing. Pilots with PD's for following the contract are asking what support from the union they'll be getting for following the contract. You asked about what union support you'd receive for calling in fatigued.

Carl

disregard............ again

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1648670)

Where did you find that reference? thx

Direct question asked to reps.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1648661)

Welcome back!

That will be done in a side letter.

Then there should be no problem with waiting until that side letter is negotiated and brought to our reps. The two documents need to be signed concurrently...not separately.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1648669)

Also--when will memrat be discussed?

Tomorrow....

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1648677)

Then there should be no problem with waiting until that side letter is negotiated and brought to our reps. The two documents need to be signed concurrently...not separately.

Carl

Fair point.........

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1648677)

Then there should be no problem with waiting until that side letter is negotiated and brought to our reps. The two documents need to be signed concurrently...not separately.

Carl

I tend to agree with you on those points.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1648660)

This was discussed.
The answer was that anybody who calls in fatigued on one of these trips will be handled in exactly the same way it is handled for any other trip.

The pilot will either be deadheaded back to his base or given a legal break until he is no longer fatigued and then continue flying.
After that there is a discussion with the Chief Pilot to determine pay status, reason for fatigue, etc.
Its spelled out in FOM section 3.2.25

Scrappy obviously would not and can not detail every individual's situation.

Common sense would suggest if there are some circumstances that arise, either personal or operational, and you find yourself fatigued, then you could call off the operation and there would be no "repercussions".

If you do it just because you are philosophically opposed to split duty periods, well --- then you might have some "splainin" to do.

The chief pilot has a lot of discretion.

And the key point they made is today "continue flying." Now you would be under reroute rules and could be scheduled back at midnight the same day.

Now a guy who may feel fatigued will start feeling the pressure of "oh crap, what might they do with me, I'll just fly this one leg......"

I still can't believe we are even having this discussion. Would a TA that only have CDO's pass? No way.. So please don't try and sell it as a good deal then.

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Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1648642)

When the company later does a 180, there are always a million reasons to blame the changes on. Guys like Sailing are quick to give the economy a pass due to things "out of the control of the company".

No, guys like Sailingfud are quick to remind you that it's your fault for voting for it. When you say you couldn't vote because the union didn't allow memory rat (I love that btw), guys like shiznit will tell you that you did vote for it...you did so by voting for your reps.

Carl