gloopy-
You are one of the calm and rational voices around here.
I respect your analysis.
I gotta tell you. I'm coming to the same conclusion as you.

I've been trying to approach this on a sort of "pro/con" type thought process.

I see quite a few cons but I'm having trouble listing pros.

I don't know why we would agree to this thing.

If what you say is true (and I'm not arguing that it isn't) then what is your best guess as to why augmented domestic ops is in this TA?

0500 AM was and is contractual. NLT noon was by memo. If the new rules go into affect than 1000 becomes contractual.

This just highlights the perils of operating "by memo." What the memo giveth, the memo can taketh away.

Noon would have been great but 1000 on the first day is still pretty good.

Remember the NLT than noon was tied to a 2 hour long call response which many reserve Pilots were rightfully outraged about.

Lets see the details, read them calmly, study them.............................................. .............and then burn the house down!

Scoop :D

If there is no effort by the MEC to highlight the risks as well as the benefits of the TA...what else would you call it?

I get that - but on a transcon augmented turn, the landing pilot on the first landing has to have 2 hours rest in the second half of the FDP as well. So the same pilot does both landings?

As I posted there are some limited situations where it might make sense in the Central America/Carib or NRT market. Many of our competitors did Carib turns augmented in markets they only flew a few days a week. We double crewed those because our contract required it. It's still not likely we will see much of that because the contract requires a rest seat. You're not going to see Delta deploy lie flats into low yield vacation markets on a regular basis. Other airlines prior to 117 allowed a cabin seat most even in coach. 117 may have changed the seat requirements but not sure.
The devil is always in the details. If the TA allows a standard cabin seat you might see some in Carib. If not then it just is not going to happen. I suspect we will see the TA by Wednesday.
Edit: talked with a friend much smarter then me. There are a few markets in Central America we might be interested in flying into where the company does not feel they can layover crews. There are also a few markets we could be losing because of declining layover safety. This could be a solution to serve those markets.

agree..but that 0500 on Day 1 had to be on your line prior to 1500...and the schedule check was mandatory.

Given the fact that the current 5:15 DPA does not apply to reserves, I'd say a 5:15 ADG will be a big deal to them by getting them into the next RAW bucket or totally full that much sooner and by having GS/IA trips worth that much more.

Shouldn't we wait for the details on this before we make such an assumption? I fully agree that a 3-hour call back leash would be totally unacceptable -- so much so, in fact, that I have a hard time believing that our reps would have agreed to it.

The jury is very much out on that one.

The check wasn't mandatory until 0200, 3 hours prior to report/start of duty period.

Disregard, partially answered.