It's not nice to gloat. :D CHEERS!

All: Have a nice weekend!

DFW

No incoming needed - solid post.

Scoop :)

Gear Jerk. You wrote:

"One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer."

So, how would you categorize a scenario where our union asks us to informational picket, knowing that such actions would compromise advanced bookings?

shack

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Still not clear are you T. There is no straw man argument. No red herring. No idiotic argument into which you will not venture.

It was a question only, and rhetorical at that.

Do you SERIOUSLY think the that the majority opinion on the surveys for C12k reflected a desire to forgo and give up a large portion of profit sharing and 4-8-3-3 for pay raises?

A rhetorical question is a question that you ask without expecting an answer. The question might be one that does not have an answer. It might also be one that has an obvious answer but you have asked the question to make a point, to persuade or for literary effect.

I asked that question as a lead in or set up to the next question, which you chose not to answer as I believe you have nothing relevant to submit. That question is as follows:

How do we get an accurate survey with 100 percent participation and then attain our collective goals?

I know you are a staunch advocate of LBP (longevity based pay) or otherwise known as seat pay. You have touted that here every now and then.

However, since you once again were completely condescending in your following post to a fellow poster, I wanted to see if you had anything of relevance to add, such as your previous LGP posts, or were just going to keep on mud slinging and launching your belittling personal attacks, Mr. Line Check Airman.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I can complain as much as I want. That's what being a dues paying member gets me. I will vote no to the contract if it does not meet my expectations (it won't). I don't see the benefit to filling out a survey that our union is just going to ignore anyway.
Do you SERIOUSLY think they just flat out ignored it? Or do you not want to accept that maybe you are not of a majority opinion?


T's eloquent response:

If you believe they ignored it for some black helicopter desire to screw everyone including themselves in the process, well that is a really pathetic view of those working on our behalf. And if that's truly the case, I hope you don't participate, we don't need garbage stats junking up the data.

The lower limits of what is required by the PWA are, well, pretty low. That is why type A motivated individuals are hired into the pilot cadre. I agree with PD on this one though, pilots all go WAY BEYOND what we are REQUIRED to do. If the entire group decided to explore the minimums as outlined by the PWA the wheels would fall off in 72 hours. There is that pesky status quo thing though. I'm also not really sure mgt has good visibility on how the pilots glue it all together. The "thanks" emails from SD are nice, but a contract representative of the pilots daily contributions would be even better.

Indeed. I just finished a trip to Italy and I could have pulled the plug over a few minutes but choose not to. 10K+ savings to the company.

With all of the metrics, APU useage, pushback D-0, etc, stuff that we do daily, I bet our company could track this. Recently, we were flying a LAX-CUN-MSP day. We were right up against the max duty day because CUN was all balled up. We worked with the dispatcher very proactively and made it work just barely. That's a metric I would like to see tracked.

It's a metric that is tracked and since you made lax-cun-msp work, it will continue to be in the bid pack as currently published.

Got passed on the interstate by a Delta pilot wearing his hat while driving his Tahoe.

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/committed to the cause