I do not disagree with you. The (high) morale of any "unit" has implications on said unit's success; likewise, (low) morale has negative affect on the operation. Again, I am not arguing with your correlation between morale and (unit) success.

With that being said, many moons ago, when I was a young officer in the Army it was instilled in us the required tenets of an Army Officer(leader). These included, Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness, Honor, Integrity and Professionalism (Acronym: LDRSHIP).

You asked me if I thought a "professional is expected to go above and beyond?" In reality, each person's glass has varying levels of fullness depending on their thirst. Does that make sense?(no sarcasm intended) One person's "above and beyond" might be another person's "professional" duty as a Commercial Airline Pilot, performing their fiduciary duty, under the current contract (PWA) with said employer.

Standing by for incoming. :rolleyes:

Why don't you read the entire exchange and get back to me. His entire line of questioning was a straw man argument. He offered no "point of view" but rather tried to turn a question back on me and spin it as a belief that I felt 4-8-3-3 was some sort of great and wonderful thing... and here's the really important concept.... in and of itself. All by itself, no I did not necessarily believe that, but in concert with the rest of the contract, I felt it was fine. Had we only voted on the pay increases of 4-8-3-3 without the other improvements that came with it, I would have voted no. So now I guess you are gonna give it a run thru the spin cycle... have at it.

I characterize this post as being largely incorrect and certainly in your usual dramatic and emotional manner.

If you're busy with something else, tired on your 5th leg, or some other reason where you become less proactive, does that transform you into not a professional?

Well said sir.

I characterize your post as being largely incorrect and your usual insertion of words into people's posts that don't exist.

Read my response to Scoop's question. Should make more sense. If it doesn't, sorry, APC doesn't allow me to draw pictures. :)

where does the PWA require us to do any of the things I just mentioned?

That's what I thought.
I don't think you should openly admit to that...but I do smell what you're stepping in.

This is much better.

I hate to break it to you...but this ain't the Army. We're not here for the "greater good." We're not here to defend the company with our lives, or "complete the mission" at all costs.

What we are here to do is cash in on our expertise and skill set. This is all about dollars and cents. To think otherwise is the pinnacle of folly. If you are trying to make this job feel and look like the Army...we have a problem.

Show me the money (and time off).

Pardon the interuption here.........I have a long nonrev sit with my family in LAX tomorrow. Anyone know if I can escort them down to the pilot lounge, or is that forbiden. Thanks.........carry on

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Well, actually, you stated in your post that you "decided not to write-up a discrepancy on an aircraft." That could not only be thought of by the company as a safety violation, but even worse, categorized by the FAA as gross negligence!! :eek:

I'm not advocating or condemning your actions to "save the company" time. I just don't see the logic of doing it for the company now, but not if "you were upset about the company not negotiating a contract in time." Maybe I misunderstood?