Now that is some funny stuff coming from you. You want to hold sailing to task for a "promise" that he made regarding the actions of 500 other people. How about you hold your doughnut wielding buddies to task for the promises THEY made about THEIR actions if they didn't get enough signatures and all that stuff.

Just amazing.

Nonsense. yup.

T,

DALPA put out a new R&I information guide a few weeks ago. As I understood it, they said the best bet for early out insurance is the DPMP. It keeps the Company supplement feature. You lose it in the other plans and the result is a much higher cost. R&I suggested doing a little planning ahead and changing to the DPMP in the insurance year that you expect to retire. The guide includes some amounts, too.

An email to Karen might get you some good information.

You and Sailing are pretty brave selling concessions and lowering expectations while hiding your names.

Soon, if not already, you two management water boys will be selling profit sharing reductions for hourly pay increases (cost neutral for management) and pay banding. Pay banding won't harm either of you, but will be a concession that costs the rest of us over 1000 jobs and 2 to 3 years of stagnation.

Don't know how you look in the mirror. You have yours, now pull up the ladder.

Jerry Fielding

PS you two will be selling us out on sick time as well. The trifecta of management's concession list.

All your hub are belong to us!

After a certain amount of time on here, everyone kind of figures out who's who. I don't think Ts, or sailing, posts anything on here anymore with the expectation of being anonymous.

After all of these years and thousands of posts, every one know's who they are.

I'm not a big proponent of pay banding but I'm curious to know where you got your figures for job loss and stagnation, me thinks it was your A$$. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think pay banding would (if done right) provide a much bigger pay raise to junior folks than senior folks.i agree there would be less training in the long run resulting in a more efficient airline. Due to massive retirements in the coming years the Delta training command is going to be 100% with or without pay banding.
People would be more interested in your posts if you would attack the message rather than the messenger.

Just my opinion

It is one thing to advocate for concessions and help management. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

It is quite another to accept DALPA flight pay loss and work against our cause carrying water for management without your name attached.

While I do not know who is who, I fear many of those working against a historic 2015 are here and accept union flight pay loss. They also were instrumental in selling C2012 with empty threats, empty promises and false assumptions.

We cannot fail again.

The best example was "plan B".

Not buying the 717s. The ink was dry as usual. The planes were purchased. There was no other option.

We gave up a 2 hour ALV increase, changing the summer calendar and 99 hours for reserves for nothing.

If these 2 can't get on board when management is returning $2.75 billion to the shareholders in a second round.....

Their harm to the Delta pilots is severe. They are connected and influential.

Management's top 3 are:

Pay Banding
Reducing Profit sharing
Sick leave

Sailing and Tsquare will be selling full time that concessions in these areas are wins!!

There is no reason in the world to make concessions in this environment.

The Delta pilots have made over $15 billion in life changing concessions and counting.

Our concessionary contract is no longer necessary.

We do not want to kill the golden goose. We simply want a fair agreement that recognizes our sacrifices and our contributions.

Jerry, all these concessions you claim I support have really only accomplished a few things. They have almost doubled my pay since the bankruptcy and improved my quality of life. I want ever dime I can get in my last years. I think given the circumstances DALPA has delivered like no other airline union. In fact their performance since leaving chapter 11 probably surpasses unions in any business. You made it clear many times you want to burn the house down and dance on Delta's grave. The good news is the majority of pilots don't agree with you.
Does it really bother you so badly to see the projections put out for contract 2012 turning out to be if anything understated? Relax a little and enjoy life.
Take a look at this forums other threads and ask yourself why Delta appears to be the first choice for everyone wanting a airline job. The results speak loud and clear.

I'm sure you are much smarter than I am.

I got the same numbers from my fellow 1985 hires at United and American. As you know, they both already have pay banding. 4 bands.

They both stated the productivity gain for management is around 15%.

Imagine 9 fleets/8 bases and over 800 retirements in 12 months.

From my years of doing ALPA work, I estimate each retirement to result in 8 to 10 initial training cycles. But let's use 6.

800 X 6 = 4800. 4800 initial training cycles in 12 months. Never mind the cost, who will fly the planes?

And in the years when over 800 pilot retire at age 65, how many will really retire? 1100? 1200?

Right now retirements are running at 2 for every 1 scheduled to retire at age 65.

Pay banding is a massive concession that will further stagnate our careers. And if you are already at the top? Who cares? It won't harm you.

Pull up the ladder.

We certainly have different opinions. I feel like management took 4 times what they needed in chapter 11. Somehow it's ok for management to make millions for themselves while they feel we must accept a permanent reset.

Don't want to burn down the house. Just restore our profession.

Management has tough work to do and I respect them.

They do not have to make split second decisions in hundred million dollar machines that hold peoples lives in the balance.

What is the cost of an accident? AF 447? $500 million? $1 billion?

That my friend is a lot of responsibility. A responsibility that no other job entails.

Let's all work together in a honest and honorable fashion to make the gains we so richly deserve.

Jerry