Ask during the next base visit. My understanding is Delta will order the rest if they can stabilize Mesabah/Pinnacle/Endeavor. Mesabah says the employment situation there is not stable enough to spend the money yet.

If I'm not mistaken most of the retirements will come off the top paying equipment so there will still be lots of training going on which neither you nor I can quantify. What does not a proponent of pay banding mean to you ? I will be a dot long before pay banding is even an issue. I'm soon to fall off the ladder you accuse me of pulling up.

In this extremely profitable environment I am opposed to granting further concessions, especially those that cost jobs.

The day I retire, I will care just as much for the pilot on the bottom of the seniority list as I do myself.

I hope you will do the same.

Ask your reps. Going forward pay banding is a 15% productivity gain for management. That is 1800 pilots.

Haven't we given enough?

Jerry

On the above items, you are preaching to the choir. Actually, if you look back to some of my posts, I think you are preaching to the preacher. :D

I was just pointing out that the identity of Ts and sailing are pretty much known to everyone who have been on here for a while. They aren't really hiding behind their screen names.

Good post Jerry, maybe you are trainable. :-)

Thank you!

I'm not trying to change the topic, but I do have a proposal for C2015:


While our reserve system is much better than it has been, it still isn't as good as I think it can/should be. I would love it if reserves could:


1.) Pick up trips from open time before they are assigned a day out. I think United pilots can pick up trips 3 days out.

2.) Yellow slip for trips that are not in their silos and get them over pilots who have no yellow slip preference in.

While #1 might be a longshot, #2 shouldn't be.

I know the company thinks they want to match with reserves according to what silo they are, but in my category, I've seen a lot of pilots get assigned trip back to back to back, while others just sit there. There were three trips I YS'ed last week that went to reserves in the 4 day silo while I sat in the 5 day silo. All three of them were later called in fatigued (and after looking at the pilots schedules, I don't blame them.). What I'm seeing is that FAR117 is making fatigue calls more likely.

Maybe allowing pilots to YS trips outside of their SILO might help everyone.


Any thoughts?

Not sure on 1, but I definitely agree with number 2, newK!

Edit: Too, radical. I'll repost it later.

Jerry I don't like the concept of pay banding but 1800 jobs? Lets be honest here. You posted the amount of training you expect from 800 retirements a year and translate that to job loss. What you don't factor in is how many training events there would be with pay banding. Pilots will still move for many reasons. Trips on equipment, pay raise to a new band, bored ect... I suspect that in the end the difference in training via pay banding into 4 groups verses what we have today might be a 10 percent reduction in training events. That would not translate to much of a job loss in most years even the peak.
I don't want pay banding because I think when you divorce yourself entirely from the revenue generation capabilities of the airframes you make it harder to generate future raises. Yes pay banding will cost jobs but nothing like 1800.
Pay banding was floated by Leo Mullins around 2000 and it went over like a lead ballon. Taxi speeds dropped to a crawl for a few days and management quickly retracted it. The rates they offered were good so it was the concept not the rates that were rejected. I don't see the pilot group going for it today.