Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1675484)

You said a mouthful, there.



1) How exactly is pay banding "on the table"?
2) How come you didn't speak about CDO's in time for the group to react?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1675466)

There are no discussions with management on pay banding.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1675497)

Excellent. Why is the L&G full of pay banding, then? If it was longevity-based pay, I would know why :rolleyes:, but why exactly is this discussion taking place?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1675484)

You said a mouthful, there.



1) How exactly is pay banding "on the table"?
2) How come you didn't speak about CDO's in time for the group to react?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1675499)

It's Jerry's idea of fun. He's like an east LA gang banger. He doesn't come on here for months, then drives by and opens fire with his usual, predictable tripe, then leaves for the safety of the doughnut bunker.

I still want to know if he is for LBP though.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1675504)

I am 100% opposed to longevity based pay. It would never work. No one thinks it through. They all think they would be senior in some category. We can't all be senior. Even the ones who push it would hate it if it really happened. It would be awesome for the top 500 pilots.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1675499)

It's Jerry's idea of fun. He's like an east LA gang banger. He doesn't come on here for months, then drives by and opens fire with his usual, predictable tripe, then leaves for the safety of the doughnut bunker.

I still want to know if he is for LBP though.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1675506)

Then you can never, ever bring up the responsibility of our profession argument. If you do, please show your work on how you determine which human life is worth less than any other.

I'll be waiting.

And I have thought it through. I have bar charts and pie charts and several pages of data. While I am not saying that I am, you are certainly not the smartest guy in the room.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1675500)

I have been writing the MEC for over a year opposing pay banding.

While it is profitable to have 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases, it creates a tidal wave of training as retirements increase.

Right now retirements are running about 2 for each age 65 retirement. So you can reasonably double the retirements each year. The training problem going forward is becoming more clear to management each and every day.

The fact that management wants pay banding, further reductions in profit sharing and to go after sick leave is not a secret.

3 people can keep a secret. As long as 2 of them are dead.

I did oppose CDO early and often with the MEC and on the other Delta pilot forum. Sorry I didn't post it here sooner.

Giving up one more ounce of profit sharing would be a tragic mistake as it was in C2012. Management plans to fund our pay increases with profit sharing to attain another cost neutral deal. We must fight this all day every day.

I guess you have to trust me on the pay banding. It's coming like a freight train.

When I wrote a resolution prohibiting more 76 seat RJs for C2012 I was attacked and vilified. We would never make more scope concessions, especially during record profits. And you saw the outcome of that.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1675506)

Then you can never, ever bring up the responsibility of our profession argument. If you do, please show your work on how you determine which human life is worth less than any other.

I'll be waiting.

And I have thought it through. I have bar charts and pie charts and several pages of data. While I am not saying that I am, you are certainly not the smartest guy in the room.