Not for Delta... the RFP is out there, but no one can take on the 30 planes. Endeavor is slated to get them if we can solve the staffing problem here. It's likely that if they want the extra 30, they will have to be operated at mainline, or at Endeavor with Delta SL pilots.

I'm not advocating pay banding, but I really have a problem with your 1500 pilot speculation. The first of several problems I see with your theory is assuming every one of those 800 retirements in a year will be 777/747 captains. Numerically impossible since there are only 544 777/747 captains. As an example, in the five years since the merger over 1000 pilots have retired and I've only moved up 300 numbers. A lot of NB captains and FOs will be a part of that 800+ number in those peak years 2021-2024 so the training cascade is far less for each retirement than you propose .

I agree with alfa (btw, welcome back!) that we need hard data, not wild a** speculation about this issue.

Alpha,

It was good that you weighed in on this.

Regardless of the perceived equality of the swine, even poorly timed democratic debates educate folks.*

The universal consensus is that there should be more information pushed to the line pilot about these sorts of proposals. If we run with your Animal Farm metaphor, the task could reasonably fall within squealer's scope of responsibility. Besides, responding to the DPA's Crew Van nonsense is like Napoleon wresting with the Hens.

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* guess the person who broke the story was hoping for a SDP type uprising. (me thinks his timing was off by nearly a half year, but whatever)

At 65, DPMP automatically became my secondary coverage and the premium decreased about 50%.

Spot on analysis, BB. :)

There is so much about this discussion not to like:

1) Pay banding.

2) The allegation that some guys would be reaching a deal on pay banding wayyyyy ahead of the MEC, and especially ahead of the survey, therefore ahead of the pilot group, thereby corrupting the process.

3) Riding that unproven allegation, trying to give a partial, or maybe false, impression, of what might be happening, to manipulate opinion on a specific topic.

Anyone else think it's really weird that something hypothetical like pay banding is getting put on as a rumor/leak on APC, but something that actually was happening over several months (SDP's) wasn't leaked on here?

It sure would have been nice to know that was a discussion so we could have nipped it in the bud without paying for the privilege. Now we're getting helpful info on crap that a "shadow" MEC is purportedly going to do several months ahead of openers?

W.T.F?

It makes me think there is actually nothing going on with pay banding....

If it was a real "thing", the leak would have happened on the other forum:rolleyes:

1) It's good to have an open conversation. As long as it stays civil (some have, some haven't)

2) Ask your rep, last I checked the MEC doesn't have a position on any further pay banding.

3) There's probably only about 50-100 DAL pilots on here, hardly enough to manipulate an opinion, IMO.

Sounds like something management would say.

If that was the case, the Dalpa propaganda machine would not dispatch you (and the other usual suspects) here to tout Dalpa's talking points, float Dalpa's latest sellouts, and tamp down expectations.

There may be a relatively small number of posters, but to claim that only "50-100" are lurking is nonsense, and you know it.