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Believe it or not, I really didn't want to talk about it anymore because I know I am spitting in the wind. I am not sure how management would "go medieval" on us with a single pay scale. I know it is not a perfect system, none of them are. The overriding difference in then and now vis a vis the 2 systems is that we no longer have the luxury of the DB retirement plan to enjoy seniority and then suck it up. That is huge. I think that now one has to make a choice, and it has to be made early on in one's career. Go for money, or lifestyle. I do not believe that those 2 have to be mutually exclusive.

Push throttle, get paid. Bid for QOL. Seems simple to me.

Sounds good to me.

Check Essential

07-01-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1675730)

That sucks. Someone should change that. :confused:

The whole RLA sucks.

Elliot

07-01-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1675731)

Hey. I like how you think.

Thanks. :) My wife is an attorney! :eek:I've learned to read EACH word carefully, and understand the "devil is always in the details." :cool:

index

07-01-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1675717)

You can't do that under the RLA.
The duration and the amendable date have to match.

I don't think you're correct. Can you cite a specific source that prohibits an annual COLA subsequent to a contracts amendable date? Parties are generally free to contract to whatever terms they want unless it's contrary to the law, public policy, etc...

My understanding of contracts becoming "amendable" under the RLA versus contracts "expiring" outside the RLA has more to do with the idea that we have to keep working under the old terms versus walking out on the expiration date. I know if no rule that prohibits what newk has suggested.

Check Essential

07-01-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1675736)

Can you cite a specific source that prohibits an annual COLA subsequent to a contracts amendable date?

I knew somebody would demand proof. :)

Let me hunt for a citation.

index

07-01-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1675730)

That sucks. Someone should change that. :confused:

Come on Newk. Don't accept that at face value. He may be right, but then again he may be dead wrong. Let's hear his source before giving up on that idea.

index

07-01-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1675737)

I knew somebody would demand proof. :)

Let me hunt for a citation.

Fair enough.😃

Admit nothing. Deny everything. Demand positive proof.😃

newKnow

07-01-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1675734)

The whole RLA sucks.

We should get Congress to fix it…. never mind. :o

newKnow

07-01-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1675735)

Thanks. :) My wife is an attorney! :eek:I've learned to read EACH word carefully, and understand the "devil is always in the details."

I've learned that there is normally a way to contract around obstacles to get what you want. ;)

Alan Shore

07-01-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1675621)

Reserve bucket question here for the 7ER. If there is a 4 day trip in open time does a senior guy with 4 days of availability get it or does a junior guy with 8 days of availability get it? Same question for a 6 day trip. Does the senior guy with 6 days of availability get it or does the junior guy with 10 days of availability get it.

Because 7ER is an int'l category, the DOA buckets are 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 or more. So a 4-day trip will always go to a legal and available 4-day pilot, regardless of seniority or RAW bucket, before it goes to a 5 or more day pilot.

OTOH, a 6-day trip in your example would go to the junior 10-day pilot, assuming that both pilots are in the same RAW bucket and the senior pilot does not have a YS in for the trip.

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