Ahhh so it's all about you then. (You can easily hold 777B by the way) But you would be paid for the "B" seat under LBP.. There WOULD be a differentiation between captain and fo. And yes you would have to wait for an AE. But with all the movement coming up, it wouldn't be long, and as number 1, you would definitely get it.

See the above post.... well.. 2 above.

As Ice Cube has so eloquently put it, "check yourself before you wreck yourself."

Their union would do what our union would do. Which is, fight tooth and nail for the best deal they could get -- and DOH isn't it if we are on longevity pay.

Let's say we merged with Alaska. You don't think their guys would want to fly the 330, or 767/757 out of SEA? They could still fly to work and get to see different parts of the world at the same time. Plus, they have been flying the 737 forever. They might want a change of scenery. Our guys who have been waiting to do fly the 330 or 767/757 out of SEA could be frozen out for a long time.

Plus, There is no guarantee that things would stay the same, anyway.

Let's say we merged with Jet Blue and then opened up a 757/767 base in FLL/MIA/MCO. Driving to work is a big plus, right? Well, you don't think you would have a problem when their *2007 hire A-320 captain got the bid for FLL 7ERA before you did? And oh, by the way, he's always going to be senior to you and get Christmas, weekends, and vacation before you, too.

(*Because, they are losing so many pilots and moving up so quickly, the guy/gal who might get that spot before you could be a 2011 hire 320 FO, at the moment.)

Bases and flying change when mergers occur. The only thing that stays the same is the seniority list. I'm willing to keep the pay system we have now, if it keeps scenarios like the ones above from happening. I think it does. :)

I knew I would regret this because that was but a specific example that would have worked at a specific point in time if.. and it was a big if... our group was homogenous. (we had other mergers before NWA too...)

I still maintain that for every guy that has a woody for bigger airplanes that go around the world, there is a similar number of guys that don't. Flying turnarounds on small jets is very senior in Europe with similar pay schemes. For some of those that have been waiting to fly the 330 or 7Er, it is ONLY because of the pay. (When I was a new FO on the 7ER, I flew to SVO for almost 2 months before ever getting out of the hotel. Many of the people that I flew with ONLY did it for the $$) We can debate that until the pigs return to Capistrano.

I agree that some guys would stay on the smaller equipment. But, you know you would be mad at the world if the 2011 hire got 7ER-A in MCO and you didn't.

Let's not let that happen. :D

To me anytime someone in a negotiation announces that they're in a hurry or have a deadline then you've got the upper hand. In 2012 we let it go because two hands in a bush or value your money time argument, something along those lines.

In 2015 I cannot forsee what would make the company wheel and deal. They can lock us into rates and thus lock everyone else into theirs.

My bet 4/8/3/3/0/0/0

How WOULD that happen?

I think that's a solid prediction.

What happened to "constructive engagement?" :confused:

Watch me bail ...

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... 717 all the way Baby!

Delta might get more training costs as pilots bail out of craptastic for totally bonerific!

Hey! I just noted a happy Homer flies better than the new 737-900. Shorter takeoff roll, better climb and cruise too. He mostly clears the mountains with those chubby little cartoon arms.

Fwiw, we have pay banding at Envoy. Our largest equipment (CRJ700) is our most junior for captains. Not sure if that adds anything to the discussion here.