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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1643767)
You are comparing Rosa Parks to a pilot who follows the contract rather than unilateral contract abrogating flight ops memos? Unbelievable. I'm not asking the union to pay the pilots, I'm asking for the company to pay the pilots and the union to defend the contract with all it's resources to bear. You can't violate the contract and neither can the company. Give an inch, and they will take a foot. I personally think they were testing the waters, and are so far happy with the results. It is completely black and white. There is no middle. Contract is a contract. Company changed status quo requirements and so far alpa gets an F.
Interesting that neither of you that objected to the Lech Walesa reference. I guess he doesn't count though... |
I'd be willing to pay an assessment to make pilots whole who are following the contract. Win or lose in the grievance process. If we win, which we likely will, we get a refund. If we somehow lose due to pro-company judicial activism, then I'd be fine with not getting the assessment back.
This is an issue of basic unity and having eachother's backs. First they came for the reserves but I didn't say anything because I wasn't a reserve... |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1643791)
The issue of CDO's isn't as cut and dry. Fact is many pilots like them. At some places they go very senior. Of course the devil is in the details, as not all CDO's are created equal. They also get rid of most of the 30 hour overnights which, as a rule, we're not too collectively crazy about.
I wouldn't be against them if there were layered QOL and circadian protections in the work rules. Like hotels in domicile for CDO lines, standards for max duty and min on the ground times, and stand alone CDO's for reserves resulting in no duty until sometime AM the following day after return. And also how they pay would be crucial. There are ways we could do CDO's that would be a net gain for the pilot group. There are ways we could do CDO's that would drop the ball big time. Its all in the details. Either way, I'd like to see any attempt at this become a separate issue from the 117 negotiations entirely, as that needs to be resolved on its own merits. And CDO's would also need to go to MEMRAT IMO. I've been told by several people on here... but I'm not wading thru 16,000 posts to find it... that 9 hour block day turns will go senior. I am sure that some CDOs would as well... I sure as hell don't want any though, but one man's trash is.... |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1643640)
The truth lies somewhere in the middle. If a pilot chooses to be Rosa Parks or Lech Walesa, there is a certain amount of risk involved with that decision. IMHO, they will be made whole at some point in time, but they made the big boy decision to take the risk. Should the union make them whole? That is an excellent question. I'll only say maybe to that one and it truly depends on the circumstances, but I don't think it right that we all assessed to cover someone that took a risk, knowing that it could blow up in their face without then being reimbursed by that party when/if they win the grievance.
Fire away. |
Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1643242)
Follow the acknowledgement timeline in the contract for trip assignments rather than an emailed bulletin.
As I posted before I was 100% behind the no overtime campaign at the time. In retrospect it was ill advised and has cost us far more then we gained. The union put out that nothing has changed regarding our contract and they will defend those pilots. Anything beyond that would end up ill advised also. Keep in mind we have contract negotiations coming up. Also keep in mind we appear to have a agreement on the 117 issue. Details will be out soon. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1643811)
For 117, they are called Split Duty Trips. You have to make sure they are no more than 1 hour in flight time each leg, 1 leg out, at least 6 hours rest, 1 leg home, otherwise they are awful. No more than three in a row, and they can NOT be put on a regular line, or a day reserve can be switched to them.
Lets just not do the CDO thing... http://www.catholic-convert.com/wp-c...mels-nose1.jpg |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1643830)
At the BOS MEC meeting it was made clear there will be no agreement that does not make pilots with a PD whole.
The forum is in high warble... don't let that get in the way.... |
Originally Posted by Doug Masters
(Post 1643853)
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1643559)
Thank you for your support and the free dose of arrogance.
Thankfully, I don't need a loan for the two PDs. That's not really the point. There are some folks for whatever reason who might. Where is DALPA for backup? How about some support for the hostages? A little backbone in return for taking it for the team? (P.s. a tepid letter from MD telling us that RA "cares" about us is not "support" and it's certainly not "backbone.") PD, I'm going to repost what I posted a few weeks ago and see if you now agree with me. :D
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1628119)
If APLA offered to pay for the dropped trips, three things would happen:
1.) The reserve system would shut down. 2.) ALPA would go broke. 3.) Delta would take ALPA to court (and win). |
Originally Posted by HurricaneHunter
(Post 1643736)
I rarely post, but feel compelled to reply. The pilot who has followed the PWA has done nothing wrong. Rather, it is the company who is in the wrong for unilaterally abrogating the jointly-agreed-to contract by removing said pilot's pay for compliance.
The pilot should not be characterized as a risk taker or rebel. The pilot is following the rules. The company is not. The next day's early trip was dropped because now I'm on a PD day, ie a non-fly day and had no requirement to check my schedule until 2:00 am base time on my first on-call day. :D For the second PD, the company realized their mistake and paid me. I talked to DALPA prior to both to make sure I was reading the PWA correctly about my obligation with respect to acknowledging trips. I've been told the company and DALPA agree we will be paid for our PDs. |
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