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Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1647300)

OK, after 10 you're probably correct. Just don't know.

Did one recently just like this but left before 10 and it paid 9:00.

I don't see how a broken rotation on a CDO would ever leave before midnight let alone 10 pm.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1647265)

How about this scenario under the FAR 117 rules?

Pilot signs in at 1957 for a ATL-PHX-ATL turn, landing back here at 0627. These flights are currently in our Delta timetable:

DL 1915 departs ATL 2057 arrives PHX 2200 (3+57 block)
DL 1646 departs PHX 2355 arrives ATL 0627 (3+32 block)

Total FDP = 10+30
Total block = 7+29

Legal under the old PWA? No - The 12. D. 1. table would limit duty day to approximately 9:30.
Legal under FAR 117? It seems so.

The good news is it would pay 10:30. The bad news is that seems like a killer trip to me, unless you can really reverse your body clock somehow. I suspect there are many more city pairs that could end up doing this, without calling them SDPs.

Am I missing something?

This is what I have been saying.

The mysterious item in the Chairman's Letter "Adopts FAR FDP limits for actual operations" could be very bad for us.

The 12.D.1 table is the reason we don't have CDOs right now. If we change that without some serious limitations we will have a lot more trips like the above. As a RES pilot I have done a CDO here at Delta but it complied with the 12.D.1 table. It wasn't fun but it was legal. It also wasn't practical for the company since the PWA duty limit had us duty in at 0300 to comply with the duty limit.

I've said it twice before, CDOs and SDP are two separate things and with the changes to our contract being discussed BOTH would be possible.

It's one thing to have a 6 hour break between flights it's entirely another to just fly a 12 hour FDP turn, with no beak, in the middle of the night.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647312)

I don't see how a broken rotation on a CDO would ever leave before midnight let alone 10 pm.

Above my paygrade, not sure. I believe the concern that was raised is scheduling could create new CDOs to cover broken rotations. And if so, why couldn't they build a CDO which covers a departure that's scheduled before 10pm?

Maybe it's restricted, but 9E is currently flying plenty of CDOs which depart between 9pm and 10pm. I know because I regularly commute on them. BTW, the vast majority of crews I talk to when stuck in the JS hate them. I honestly didn't get too deep in the conversation because I never thought we'd see them here.

Maybe we can fly all these CDOs out of Memphis and Louisville.
Carry boxes instead of pax.

Is there any money in that?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647291)

I don't think so. There is a 10pm to midnight cutout on the 4:30 per day. This flight would be leaving well beyond that time in the situation you describe.

Picked up one of these the other night. 1 leg to layover, DH back the next day. Sign-in 2153 depart 2253. Paid 9:00. So I'm guessing that it made it just under the cutoff of 2200 and that it's based on sign-in, not departure.

Anybody else a little ticked off about the new guest policy at SkyClub?

Will all these questions a about what is and is not legal be openly addressed by Dalpa?

Or will it be one-sided cherry picking with only best-case scenarios?

And when do we get to see the TA??

To a much greater extent than the rushed, inadequate C12...this TA seems, for lack of a better term... off.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1647265)

I got tired reading that.

Missing something? Yeah, I think you're missing where you call in fatigued in PHX. :eek:

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1647346)

Anybody else a little ticked off about the new guest policy at SkyClub?

What is the new policy? No backpacks or heelies?

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Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1647370)

What is the new policy? No backpacks or heelies?

When I purchased my membership, you were allowed 2 guests. It was nice to be able to take the spousal unit with me on the rare occasion when we travel anymore. Now, that is not allowed.