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Originally Posted by fartboxflyer (Post 1647430)

I cannot believe they are gonna try and shove these CDO's down our throats!
A significant change to our PWA, with no survey or polling.
They are just starting to put the spin and sugar coating on this one folks.
This is complete BS !!!!! Write your Reps!!!!
Dont let the camel's nose under the tent and tell our Reps to stop horse trading during the biggest boom for the airline in decades!!!!!

Is a same day/next day WS supposed to be a proffer? I just checked my schedule at noon and there's a WS on there for tomorrow. Placed on there at 1100.

Exactly!^^^

My rep told me they are just responding to guys complaining in the lounge about "unproductive" 30 hr layovers..I told him I'm plenty productive with an IPA and wings at TacoMac in CLT..he wasn't impressed.

I get the feeling this is a done deal. Without MEMRAT, they're gonna pretty much guarantee the resurrection of DPA..IMHO.

^^^^^^^

I agree completely, all this TA does is fix one problem by introducing another problem. A simple survey that asks....
"would you consider CDO's"
would be decisive and give direction.
The spin of.... "well they will go super senior" can be countered with "ok then it would be free to put an opt-out clause for every pilot that knows better"

This is garbage, what are they trying to do here....give DPA the keys on a silver platter?

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1646756)

Given the fact that the current 5:15 DPA does not apply to reserves, I'd say a 5:15 ADG will be a big deal to them by getting them into the next RAW bucket or totally full that much sooner and by having GS/IA trips worth that much more.

Shouldn't we wait for the details on this before we make such an assumption? I fully agree that a 3-hour call back leash would be totally unacceptable -- so much so, in fact, that I have a hard time believing that our reps would have agreed to it.

The jury is very much out on that one.

For the new ADG, the RAW part will come out in the wash anyway. If you get into the next bucket sooner, so will everyone else, so its benefit will be minimal except perhaps in smaller categories in thin months. Being full sooner is a benefit though, and I do appreciate that. I just don't think its worth giving up 2 hours on day one as well as:

The 3 hour leash is the only possible interpretation I can see from the information we've gotten so far. The only other way I can read it is we will have a 13 hour call back leash…and then need 10 hours of rest, making long call effectively 23 hours. But we all know there is NO WAY that is happening. We still need 10 hours prospective rest per the FAR's, so with LC being 13 hours that leaves 3 hours (or less if we were to for some reason agree to it) to call back.

It really seems this is what was agreed to.

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1647456)

Is a same day/next day WS supposed to be a proffer? I just checked my schedule at noon and there's a WS on there for tomorrow. Placed on there at 1100.

If it's > 12 hours out it is not a proffer.

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1647471)

If it's > 12 hours out it is not a proffer.

Thanks. Live and learn.

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Originally Posted by Spudhauler (Post 1647422)

All right, I've been catching up on the last several pages, and here's my two cents. One, this has to go to MEMRAT. Two, anyone who thinks we're going to get 6 hours rest on a CDO hasn't done them before. The whole point is that it's continuous duty; the company wants these so they can handle late night or early morning IROPs without extra pilots. Do three in a row and you'll be more tired than you ever were doing an all nighter or an international trip. I've done plenty at a regional, and they suck. Plus, this will set up precedent for C2015, and why would we consider concessions like this given the company's financial stability? An absolute no vote, period.

True. I've had a lot of experience with these at the regionals. They are completely exhausting and absolutely unsafe.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1647134)

Well, if the turtle heading starts at altitude, don't forget to do the magic carpet ride :D

Wait, what, huh....Buzz help a brother out. What in the world are they talking about? I need some schoolin... Cheers H

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1647335)

Maybe we can fly all these CDOs out of Memphis and Louisville.
Carry boxes instead of pax.

Is there any money in that?

"There's no money in freight."

Tr

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1647456)

Is a same day/next day WS supposed to be a proffer? I just checked my schedule at noon and there's a WS on there for tomorrow. Placed on there at 1100.

Lol. I got stuck with a 4 day greenslip that I didn't want once. Have to be careful slipping. Want what you bid. I'm a lot more careful with pcs these days.