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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1647554)

A) I want to go. Can I get there after 9? Are these things open to drop ins?

B) Can we see the language? Is that out yet and I missed it?

You can come in and out any time.
If you come in late though, you have to flash the shocker.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1647491)

turtle heading

(verb – present participle) The act of experiencing the summit of a crusty turd protruding from your sphincter (a turtle head); to really need a crap. Also known as touching cloth.

Onlooker: "Why are you walking so strangely?"
Protagonist: "I'm turtle-heading, if I don't find a toilet soon I'm going to purge all over my pants."

Magic Carpet Ride

To line the bowl of an airplane lavatory with TP so as to reduce the chance of leaving difficult to remove and incriminating fecal skid marks that are produced in a vacuum extraction flushing method.

"It might be smart to employ the magic carpet ride so that if the hot Milf in 2B is waiting to use this porta potty in the sky, I don't look like a tool."

Ah...got it thanks. By the way...you Space Shuttle guys sure do have an interesting sense of humor. See ya in the crew room. Cheers H

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1647520)

Thanks for the post. It was very informative over all. Many questions still remain however.

As for this part of your post, I still don't see how you can not call them back for 10 hours, yet still be legal for an assignment that reports in 3 hours when you will need 10 hours prospective rest from the point that you acknowledged/knew about the assignment.

For example, you go on long call at midnight. First 2 hours nothing. At 2am however, they give you something that reports 13 hours later at 15:00. If you don't check your schedule and acknowledge or call back between 2am and 5am, how are you legal to do that trip?

A 10 hour leash would mean a 20 hour long call. It seems like someone is trying to sell the TA by redefining what "leash" means, and confusing prospective with retroactive in order to do it.

I still don't see how a 13 hour long call means anything other than a 3 hour call back leash in order to be FAR legal in getting your 10 hours prospective rest.

I would assume this was vetted with the FAA. If so you need only check your schedule every 10 hours. If you live a hour from the airport and know your going to make any trip given then you would only have to check every 12 hours.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1647467)

For the new ADG, the RAW part will come out in the wash anyway. If you get into the next bucket sooner, so will everyone else, so its benefit will be minimal except perhaps in smaller categories in thin months. Being full sooner is a benefit though, and I do appreciate that. I just don't think its worth giving up 2 hours on day one as well as:

The 3 hour leash is the only possible interpretation I can see from the information we've gotten so far. The only other way I can read it is we will have a 13 hour call back leash…and then need 10 hours of rest, making long call effectively 23 hours. But we all know there is NO WAY that is happening. We still need 10 hours prospective rest per the FAR's, so with LC being 13 hours that leaves 3 hours (or less if we were to for some reason agree to it) to call back.

It really seems this is what was agreed to.

Gloop... We never had a 1200 first day.... It was part of the same bullsh!& SD memo that we all agreed was invalid. We can't claim that "we had a 1200 first day" unless we also want to claim that the SD reserve acknowledgement is also valid. I do NOT believe ANY part of that memo to be valid, so therefore I cannot logic into any piece of it.

WRT the 13 callout.... A rep explained to me that it will be handled just like the present day WS system. If you get a WS greater than 12:00 from report, it is yours, whether you acknowledge it or not, reserve will work the same way...

If you're on reserve and want to go to bed at 9pm... Check DBMS at 2100. Wake up as late as 0700 (for a 10:00 sleep) and check DBMS, you could have a show NO earlier than 1000.

We have a "9:00" leash under the present PWA (memo notwithstanding); this will make it a "10:00" leash.

I see that as an improvement.

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1647583)

All correct as explained to me.

So.... 717 parking lines have been spotted on the ground in this place called San Diego. I dont see it on the 717 map. I dont see it in Gawga. the Florida Panhandle. Alabama. Missisippi. Arkansas. Illinois. New Jersey. South Carolina. Tennessee. Southeast Texas.

Where is this place?

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1647583)

Gloop... We never had a 1200 first day....

Of course we did, memo, or no memo. The previous rules had loose interpretations of rest and duty. You had a responsibility to check your schedule NET 1500 on your last X-day, and could be assigned flying as early as 5AM, I believe.

The new rules made it clear that if you had a responsibility to check your schedule on an X-day, then it was not rest. Ergo, if you couldn't legally be compelled to check your schedule while on rest (which makes perfect sense), then your 12-hour leash would start at 0001 on your first X-day.

That being said, this isn't the area where the new TA has the potential to be a significant setback in rotation construction, and most likely manning. There are bigger issues in this TA.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1647505)

It would pay 10:30 under the new TA.

Or 7:30 if it's one of these CDOs?

FWIW, I did these back in my turboprop commuter days. They were awful. Always went to the reserves. As a new CA on reserve, I got 2 or 3 in a row, don't remember which. After coming in that morning, I called scheduling and told them that if they gave me another one tonight I wouldn't be doing it due to fatigue. We got in a little dust up over them saying I couldn't say I'd be fatigued 10 or 12 or however many hours it was to a potential sign-in. I said, "I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm telling you that I cannot, will-not do another one of these things tonight, period. Call whichever of my bosses you like, but I'm not doing it again."

I never heard anymore about it. Got off reserve and don't know if the "stand-ups" as we called them, stayed around.

I'll read the language, but I'm pretty shocked we are entertaining this. I am a bit confused as to why we are giving anything that could be considered a concession in our current environment. I'd just assume let it play out and file the grievance over the PDs.