I am confused. Lately your posts have been very targeted at me, mostly for stuff which is the opposite of what was written. I will sign off and apologize for whatever you think I wrote that you found offensive.

Carl went after my friends unfairly. I take you are a Carl fan. That's fine.

The DPA intentionally draws themselves outside the circle of unity in ALPA. When they care to join in and participate, they are welcome. However, publishing inaccurate information is not helpful to the mission of improving the pay and working conditions of Delta pilots (a cause we ostensibly share regardless of representational inclination).

Your error in Step 4 is your thinking that ALPA is your friends and co-workers. ALPA is a vendor. Nothing more. Some of your friends and my friends may work for the vendor, but they don't equate to the vendor. Your emotions are overruling your head Bar.

Your step 5 is almost totally unintelligible with the exception of your use of the word "bigot." The closest I've seen to deserving that moniker is you with your universal disdain of your former NWA pilot co-workers. I stand by my statements of how a certain moderator here got unreleased information from a certain rep for the sole purpose of managing the forum miscreants. Nothing to apologize for. That rep shouldn't have done what he did. It was unethical. I know he's your friend and me saying this makes you furious, but you should direct your anger at him.

Your last paragraph about DPA is just standard pablum to diminish people with whom you disagree.

Enjoy the rest of your Memorial Day.

Carl

Inaccurate. Negotiator notes are routinely used in arbitrations and other proceedings. What seems to be black and white contract contract language can be essentially reversed on the strength or weakness of the negotiator notes. They are as "official" as the PWA itself.

Nu

What does that have to do with anything sailingfun? If two reps told you this wrong information, I'd like to know who they were. Because the reps (and you) were clearly wrong. It wasn't in the implementation date schedule of the original MOU.

If no reps told you this and you made it up, well...

Carl

We had a factual debate.

Then Carl showed up.

Flight Info style food fight commenced.

This is what you just don't get Bar. Your disdain for NWA pilots is so palpable that it unintentionally leaks out in your posts. You think you're hiding it, but you're not. That's the divisive part. The merger is so far in the past, I barely think of it anymore...and I certainly don't think of us in terms of north/south anymore. It's ancient history. So it's not the opposite of what you've written, it's exactly what you've written.

And this is another attempt to diminish someone by linking them to someone or something else. I've never gotten a single PM from DAWGS so I have no idea if he's a "fan". But what the hell difference does that make? Pay attention to what people say...not who you think their a "fan" of.

This is just another way of saying there should never be any other entity representing Delta pilots except ALPA. Never. Because any future new representing agency would be "drawing themselves outside the circle of unity in ALPA." That's fine that you hold that opinion, but it needs to be clear.

In fairness, you did take down your post that I and others quoted before you could take it down. Maybe you should wait a couple of hours to calm down between the process of thought and post.

My .02

Carl

That's low Bar. It used to be a good site. This place could go there one day.

Really Bar, wait a couple of hours between thought and post. Then maybe you won't be so embarrassed by what you write.

Carl

Have you asked your reps Carl?

How can it not be clear?

DPA supporters have been begged to get involved in the process. Mostly they have refused this invitation. Rather than to participate, some have followed their leadership into representational irrelevance followed by criticism and outrage that the process they refused has failed to consider their opinion.

Clearly, one can not have it both ways. If you have an idea how we as a pilot group and association can function while actively undermining our representatives I am all ears. My opinion is that shooting your rep in the back weakens his back bone.

How does after the fact criticism (which is mostly untrue) help us? How does waiting and hoping the ship sinks help the passengers?

If you want to mutiny, please just do it already. I support your legal right to a vote. This has now drug on for four plus years. Otherwise if you don't like the direction we are sailing in there is plenty of opportunities on the bridge and in the engine room.