Drama Queen! Lol.
:)

I haven't yet as I have wanted to respect their family time over the Memorial Day long weekend.

Carl

BB,

Two wrongs don't make a right. Your friend is a big boy and knew he would face attacks both legit and frivolous when he ran. I have disagreed with his stance on a number of issues and have hashed it out via text, email, phone calls and FB messenger. He doesn't need, nor IMHO wants you being his protector. On another note, what is your fetish with constantly knocking NWA and it's former employees? You barely had 9 months at Delta prior to the merger announcement.

You are one dirty player and I just lost all respect for you. The latter quote was from a long time ago over a different subject! The quote was from c2012 over what I thought to be misleading language by our chairman. It has nothing to do with this argument. I guess you are upset someone is calling you out. I just find it over the top hypocritical of you to sit on your high horse all the time and preach unity when you are being overly divisive.

You are trying to paint people in this or that camp. Carl, me whomever. When half of the guys on property supported DPA at one time or another, you are going to have a hard time bringing people under the ALPA umbrella by harping on the DPA. A stumbling block towards unity.

As far as me, I am for Delta pilots. End of story. ALPA is our agent and will be for C2015. I support our union. I will get angry with the best of them when I see top/down nonsense that just happened which is obviously not supported by our group. The guys who seem to be more concerned with the politics of ALPA, protecting ALPA at all cost and defending an obvious lemon (CDOs), will draw me out of lurk status every time!

True unity happens when we have common goals. ALPA has its own from time to time and we have to keep their feet to the fire. The line pilots just did that and I am proud to be part of this group.

DPA always considered that begging of getting involved in the process as a total waste of energy for two reasons. First is that DALPA is a totally top-down organization that does not like or welcome opinions from outside the circle. Even from reps who are seen to be outside the circle. Second is that any official involvement by DPA in any of theses last two disasters (MEC chairman recall and this CDO insertion/removal process) would have been blamed on DPA because of their meddling. DPA understood that and just focused on trying to get the cards. Though the card drive looks like it's not going to be enough, I supported their overall strategy to stay out and let DALPA handle DALPA business.

First, calling out a rep for his actions is not "shooting your rep in the back." It's amazing the rhetorical lengths you'll go to in order to prevent dissenting thought. Second, ALPA can easily do multiple things at once. If they can't do their business while also keeping an eye on an entity that is trying to win representation rights, then perhaps they need to up their game lest they get steamrolled by management...again.

Forensic root cause analysis is key to not repeating mistakes. That analysis is by definition "after the fact" and criticism is sometimes part of that analysis. Anything less just begs the continuation of bad process.

That's not what I'm doing. I hoped that we could rid ourselves ALPA national but the pilots appear to have spoken on that. Then and now I supported DALPA by staying active and giving my reps my thoughts on all subjects.

I don't advocate a vote if/until the cards are there. Consider this: I think the ONLY reason the MEC yanked CDO's was because of their fear it would put DPA over the top. They can deal with ticked off members because they can always put out the sales pitches to tamp down the miscreants. What they couldn't risk was the chance of it leading to a DPA.

If that is what's needed for our reps to pay attention when we speak, then I hope DPA stays right where they are...even if they never make it to 51%.

Carl

This nails it for me. Very well stated.

Happy Memorial Day to everyone and a world of respect to our veterans.

Back to lurk mode.

Carl

That is a true and accurate statement. Don't know where shiznits info came from.

Red,

I too never fill up when bidding reserve but this might come into play with reserve GS pay. I thought we could still use the two hours to commute on the first day of reserve?

Scoop

Carl

That's a total copout and fallacious justification. It doesn't matter how top down or outside the circle you perceive it - unless DALPA declares Marshal Law those who positions you consider counter productive to the Delta pilots can be defeated in an election, regular or recall.

There are enough DPA card holders in every base if they participated that they would be defining the circle AND who is in it regardless of what the current insiders want. There are enough supporters where if there was even a thread of organization and leadership they could elect/recall Reps at will and control the direction of the MEC, and future negotiations literally within several months.

Even now with your tacit admission that there will not be enough cards the DPA fails to change its focus and seize the strategic opportunity in front of it and continues with it's failed tactics. I guess instead of participating, they'll just continue to weaken our union and unity going in to C2015 rather than defining the negotiating terms and who holds the votes.

That inner circle you revile thanks the DPA for their ineffectiveness and their continued job security.

Do you think the TA would have been altered to remove SDPs without the threat of the DPA? I'm not saying the threat of the DPA is responsible, but it certainly could have been a factor.

as an aside...participating within the DALPA system really was a false choice to frame with regards to the DPA. That "solution" would do nothing to separate our pilot group (and our dues dollars) from the bloated fat cats (and their self-serving agenda) at ALPA national.

No, I am not a DPA supporter anymore. I publicly withdrew my support here in December (and I withdrew my support for TC long before that), and my card has expired.