Well, the unity displayed on this board in the face of the CDO threat was nice while it lasted - all of 3 or 4 days. :(

Seriously, blame me. Leonardo DiCaprio and I travel around drugging people and inserting thoughts in their heads through dreams. They made a movie about us called Inception and I was there in that final scene which was filmed in MSP. Carl can tell you, it is every bit true. I planned this as a false flag attack on the soverign nation of Canada and fell short. I am completely and individually responsible for everything from the EFB delay to weeds growing in your front yard. If your cat is pregnant, well she looked like a 737 from the rear. Hell, I am the reason Bunny Lebowski only has 9 toes!

That having been stated, how can it possibly matter where the SDP concept came from? My understanding is that ALL of our reps provided direction to our NC. My understanding is when concerns arose that ALL reps redirected and our NC got an agreement under which Delta pilots got substantial gains.

Someone asked "where did this come from" and the resolution existed. Several on our MEC (outside of 20) thought SDPs were a good idea (and I am not against them). When the Council 20 resolution was posted some were offended ... and I still have no idea why anyone would find that offensive. None.

I found it odd that when the proper response was "great job" APC was wanting to recall other Council's reps ... I can not figure it out.

I'm a little fuzzy on what you are implying/ trying to say here.

Are you saying that the NC went rogue or are you saying that the MEC provided the NC direction or are you saying the MEC was blindsided by SDPs or are you saying that the MEC is distancing itself from SDPs?

Anybody can say what they want, there is only one plausible explanation:

The MEC directed the NC to negotiate for SDPs in order to bring down the ratio of days worked vs hours flown.

Anyone who espouses anything different, IMO, is trying to cloud the issue. The 2010 resolution is irrelevant. Again IMO.

Yep... now the political vultures have swooped in with their various agendas...

Thank You. Logic. The World is ever so slightly a better place.

Leonardo DiCaprio has been screwed out of his Academy Awards.

That's pretty much what I was assuming when they came out. Increase productivity. They do, and if it wasn't for the safety issues with the longer ones and under IROPS, the pilot group would have likely welcomed them. I think just a few too many of us flew them in previous lives and were pretty familiar with the potential downside, and that caught the MEC a bit surprised.

Jungle,

I agree, but if we could be guaranteed 5:30 behind the door I would be back to packing a tooth brush in an instant.

You are right (the force is strong with this one folks) that IROPS are the rub. A diversion with a night on the airplane isn't unheard of among the operators who fly this sort of thing. (and how would I know that the forward cargo net on an ATR makes a great hammock?)

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Boss,

All the Reps directed our negotiators and all redirected in response to their pilots. The result was a win.

That is the correct answer.