I read earlier in this thread that this agreement would increase the number of Green Slips. Thoughts on GS's increasing or decreasing?

I was talking about before the TA was amended and approved. I can't think of a time in my years at ALPA where a TA was sent back to the negotiators without a vote of some kind to do so. You don't just say that on second thought we're going to renegotiate the TA based on comments from reps or members. During the redirect periods, that can certainly happen but not after a TA is reached. How did this happen if not for a vote by our reps to do so. If there was no vote, what was the catalyst?

Carl

If there was a vote, it was in closed session (which was a majority of the morning.) Otherwise my best guess would be it was VERY obvious that the TA as originally proposed was not going to pass. I'm not sure any reps were supportive of the original TA, but that is just my speculation.

As I said, most of the morning was in closed session where they apparently directed the NC to re engage the company. To my knowledge there is no record of who actually "sent it back."

I'll echo Check in that I was very impressed with the level of preparation and diligence displayed by the reps. They asked great questions of the NC and were skeptical/critical of each section of the TA line-by-line.

To the few that are suggesting we should be concerned about C2015 as a result of this TA/meeting I would say it is the exact opposite. As a regular line guy I was very pleased to see the high level of efficiency/effectiveness on display at the meeting. To say I was surprised to see them eradicate the SDP in the matter of hours is an understatement.

Maybe the CDO's were never intended to be part of the agreement, but looked good to remove and make the pilots feel as though they had input and felt united. Just another way to sell it?

Is that chopper blades I hear in the darkness?

If they weren't in there to begin with, I really don't think 5:15 ADG etc needs to be sold...and based on what I know, I can say with 99.9 percent certainty, that CDO's were not there for that reason.

Does anyone else feel that when these TA's come along it is a bit like when Congress is in session? As in, what are we going to lose now? Have felt like this for awhile now and are really wondering when we as a group are going to wake up and really try to force some change in this regard.

Who is ALPA working for? Anyone else asking this right now besides me? Ferris?

It only takes 1 Oh $hlt to wipe out 1000 attaboys. This was that OH Shiz moment for schiz and others involved who supported and brought this to us. I am happy the ultimate correct decision was made, but scared as he11 it got so close. Totally unsat for our own union to agree to unsafe flying in a TA. It's fundamental to remember the primary purpose of our union. Contrary to what some were pushing "more money and time off!" I want that too but not at the expense of safety.

Give credit where credit is due. Our union did a great job today. SDP's were in there because the company wanted them and apparently there was a number of pilots that wanted them. After we made it known the SDP's were unacceptable the union listened and was able in the end to come away with a good deal without them. Well done!

Ditto".........

To be fair, and I'm no koolaid drinking apologist, but the negotiating committee, via a resolution was directed to ask for SDP/cdo/illegals. They just did what the MEC directed.

The fact that this was an MEC pushed resolution without first polling the pilot group was the mistake.