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DAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $255.28 (DAL PWA p.3-9)
UAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $262.38 (UPA p.29)
AAL 2015 A330 12 yr CA: $221.63* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-7)
AAL 2016 A330 12 yr CA: $226.06* (AMR-APA Agreement p.3-8)

*AMR-APA Agreement Supplement A (an LOA) specifies that AA will negotiate an "Industry Comparable Pay Rate Adjustment" to take effect as of Jan. 1 2016. It's a weighted average of UAL and DAL rates.
As of Jan. 1, 2017 (21 months into DAL negotiations) the AA 330 pay rate will be approximately: $266.82

AA has no PS, in 2017 the effective DAL A330 rate with a 10% PS payout will be $280.81. That is still $14.00 more than AA.

Agreed with all of the above. Both pilot groups have leverage in the line v. PBS talks. If they can get the rules that keep trip touching and carry out intact, PBS is definitely the way to go, but the whole point of PBS for the company is to eliminate the carryout and vacation conflict!

Fred will only start moving when the freight stops moving... Enjoy your summer to the FDX friends!

DAL pilots will benefit greatly if SWA can make improvements (I doubt it), and FDX won't survive peak this year without a new deal, so they will hopefully provide a ladder step up, since our present 777/757 paytables will exceed FDX in 2015.
I don't know about that first part, but we need every pilot at Delta to do that second part when we decide how to improve our contract. It's all business, he "ain't gonna make it rain $$$" on the pilot group without a real good reason.

Doesn't it compare our pay, work rules, etc. to those of pilots at other carriers today? What would you adjust for inflation?

Let just be sure to remember that American and UAL are both concessionary bankruptcy contracts like ours.

We are no longer bankrupt. In fact Delta makes so much money they don't know what to do with it so they are shrugging their shoulders and returning billions to the shareholders.

Our executives compensation is up 300% to 700% since bankruptcy.

We need to restore our concessions. More vacation, higher value of vacation and training day, increase per diem at least $1, huge improvements to our catastrophic only medical, increased DC, tighter international scope with immediate penalties and pay rates that take into account inflation. 20% plus date of signing.

It's pretty standard for a rebel group to try and poison the existing system and try and convince others that the existing organization is illegitimate. Also to claim that any election (ie, C2012 vote) didn't show the "will of the people".

Do you really believe that? Holy cow. I'll be your huckleberry.:D

What possible benefit comes from factoring historical inflation into a comparison of current hourly rates?

And COLA is meaningless - you only use it when you are happy with what you have, and wish to keep your current standard of living.

That sort of hinders the whole motive of negotiating for better hourly rates, n'est-ce pas?

Time out, lets compare apples to apples. We are just comparing hourly book rates. It is complete BS to start throwing some Profit Sharing in to our book rates to make them look inflated.

Profit sharing may be part of our compensation, but it is not part of our hourly rates, and is not guaranteed to be anything.

And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him? :D

I gotta agree with you there. You can show PS in anything about contract history, but it shouldn't be used in projections.