When will you realize that in our capitalist system that ALL profits, are by definition, the property of the shareholders? Like it or hate it, that is the very definition of a for-profit entity. The company "returning" profits to the shareholders via dividend or stock buyback is just a way of allocating what is already theirs via a different vehicle (versus paying down debt, investing in infrastructure, investing in employees, etc).

I don't begrudge them that because unlike prior regimes they have actually made this company a better, more profitable place. How much of a percentage pay increase did Bill Gates get between founding Microsoft and retiring? Does that mean that every Microsoft employee gets a $10 million dollar salary in order to match his percent increase in pay? (In fact, unbelievably, Microsoft just announced 18,000 layoffs. This from a hugely profitable company).


These are all great. I hope that we get them all. Will you acknowledge that we already have restored and even improved upon many, many work rules? In fact our work rules now are far better than they were in C2K. (Unless that is you liked the era where reserves could fly a 2-day trip that paid as little as 4 hours for a trip that paid a regular pilot 10.30, and you liked it that the company and not the pilot, scheduled your CQ sims, and where every vacation started on Sunday, because by golly that's how we always did it. I could go on but you get the idea).

Doc H. is probably my favorite movie character of all time. We will have to swap our favorite lines over our beer.


It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds. :D

If you love the log ride, wait till you see the new "Shoot The Chutes"

Isn't anybody going to mention the Tunnel Of Love?

Well that doesn't make sense. Of course you didn't choose to be mandatorily displaced anymore than you would choose to be furloughed. I've personally experienced that as well.

But you can always choose where you live as a delta pilot. If don't relish spending negotiating capital to support your voluntary lifestyle choice.

Sometimes I think commuters have an entitlement mindset because they think everyone commutes. Or claim 6000 do. Old topic tho...

I would bet 40 percent of our pilot group commutes. Taking away the 2 hour commute was a crappy thing to do to reserve commuters. I'm pretty sure no one wanted that to go away. I'm sure the company wanted to get rid of it because of our co-domicile crew bases.

Interesting. But she's supposed to be a trained TV newswoman, you aren't. Maybe she isn't ditzy, just bad at doing her job. It was damn funny, though, how she screwed up by continuing the conversation to gain more clarity on the fart he witnessed. :D She was going to get to the bottom of that fake news story...very determined lady!

All other employee groups at Delta are back to their pre-bankruptcy wages...except pilots. Buying power is a different issue. How about pilots being back to their pre-bankruptcy wages at a minimum on day 1 of C2015? Or should we be too afraid of the NMB, management's plan B, etc?

And we had many of our jobs moved to DCI. It's the same thing.

The plan should be to push for good faith negotiations until there's a clear impasse or bad faith, then call in the NMB to declare one. Just like we've done historically...until this new era of cooperation with management partners at all costs.

Carl

Do all ALPA workers have this much disdain for non-volunteers who are merely dues paying members? Is this something you're taught on day one? Really, I had no idea because all the volunteers I've dealt with have always been very professional, generous with their time, and willing to hear my concerns. But maybe when you're behind your keyboard you can let your true feelings run wild. At ALPA meetings while you're having a beer at my expense do you share your disgust for the members who merely just pay their dues? :eek: If you're going to call someone out for using the internet to exchange thoughts and ideas while desiring to remain anonymous then maybe you should use your real name in your signature. That said, don't expect a name--the TOS doesn't require it.

And you get that by taking whatever management first offers, and quickly...before they change their minds.

That's right. Anything other than accepting whatever management tells you to accept will yield zero.

How did this industry ever make gains before the advent of you surrender first guys. :rolleyes:

Carl