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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1687326)

Wow. Unreal. When O'Malley was removed (BY A VOTE) resulting in you and the others removal, you guys embarked on a scorched earth strategy to destroy the new MEC chairman starting on his very first day. That was your way of "providing assistance"?
Carl

Why don't you call up Kingsley? Ask him if I helped him out every single time he asked for it. See what he says. I was invited to two meetings to help with strategic planning and I attended both and spent a lot of time preparing and presenting at the meetings. I also helped with numerous communications efforts. All on my own time. I will live with whatever Kingsley says, he is a very honest person and a dear friend who stood by me in my darkest times.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear from people that know nothing.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1687447)

I also helped with numerous communications efforts. .

By posting here?

...or did you help write the "scourge" letter?

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Originally Posted by CheapTrick (Post 1687441)

Bad stuff happens to all of us. Both career wise and just breathing wise. Your contention that we are the most abused age group at DAL rings true. I'm a commuting dead zoner too. We have taken some hits. But stuff happens. I choose to look at the good stuff and I have tons from which to choose.

What I despise is the sad sack, victim mentality that viscerally permeates the very souls of the doomsday airline preppers that have no perspective on life (airline or otherwise). Whiners not builders. Visionless complainers without a clue. They are the lobsters that reach up to pull the lone escaper back into the pot.

We are where we are. We do need the perspective of how and why we are here in order to move forward. We can't live in that past. We need to move forward. The wimpy whiners are deadweight in that trajectory. Unity enables change and we don't have it yet.

Rant over. Timbo, your post just triggered a rant. Nothing personal at all. I enjoy your posts.

Thanks CT. I agree with you about living in the past. Life's too short, time to move forward.

It was his (and other's) 'commuting is a choice' mentality that got my panties in a wad.

Everyone see's life here at Delta through their own pink glasses, no doubt. A lot of it has to do with when you were hired, and if you were furloughed, and how big of a pay cut you took, and how much money you lost in your DB plan, and how many times you've been displaced. I just wanted to make it clear to him that we are often put into these positions through no fault of our own.

Ask the guys in MEM who were told it wasn't going to close...until it did. As the company plays musical chairs with equipment and bases, we are all just one A/E away from being commuters or displacing downward in ATL, for a pay cut.

I deal with it and move on...but don't try to tell us it never happened. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1687453)

By posting here?

...or did you help write the "scourge" letter?

I tell you what. Why don't you go back and look at my posts here during that time and see if I had one where I tore down the union. Please check. Carl's assertion is that I tried to undermine the MEC when supposedly I had been run out of town. Nevermind that I was worn down and needed a break, let's just assume Carl's assumption that I was sent out of town on rails. Now go back and find where I criticized what was going on. Please do it. Carl is a propagandist with no sense of integrity so I would be happy to have him held to account.

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Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 1687262)

Well that doesn't make sense. Of course you didn't choose to be mandatorily displaced anymore than you would choose to be furloughed. I've personally experienced that as well.

But you can always choose where you live as a delta pilot. If don't relish spending negotiating capital to support your voluntary lifestyle choice.

Sometimes I think commuters have an entitlement mindset because they think everyone commutes. Or claim 6000 do. Old topic tho...

Entitlement? Sure I feel entitled, entitled to the contract language that I voted on, that says I can commute 2hrs into my shortcall. Much like the contract you voted on, that says you have a "reasonable amount of time" in base to make it to a trip when on shortcall. Why does a commuter have to be at the airport 2hrs prior to a trip, when an in base reservist can basically show up for a trip whenever he can get there?? I'm now punished for commuting.

So when that language gets mysteriously removed, affecting nearly every commuting reservist, from an LOA with no knowledge by the MEC before its voted in....Sure, I feel entitled.

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1687345)

Hey Shiz.

Got to go straight pay to straight pay. Can't add profit sharing into the equation.

Fact is, they beat us straight up, which is a good thing. Time to step it up and raise the bar. Industry is watching and our turn to produce

All numbers directly from the USAirways merger transition agreement. So, as you can see, they have already raised the bar.

Side note. Those that say we don't have leverage. You are not correct. We need unity. Once we have unity we have all the leverage we need.

Don't think so? Just wander over to the Cargo forum and read about the drafts happening now and the resulting service failures at FedEx.

Here is the truth.

Read below to see how they eventually top Delta by $40 per hour in the 767-400, a330 etc.

THE USAIRWAYS MERGER TRANSITION AGREEMENT

Effective on the the date of P.O.R. Which is 12/9/13.

First, some work rules.

This agreement provides for a 1:2 for sit times in excess of two hours.

Distance learning: 50% of hourly rate.
Training: 4:00 per day. (Delta 3:45)

Defined contribution: Currently 14%
January 2014: 16%
Delta: 15%

Sick:
5 hours accrued per month
60 short term banked
940 long terms bank
1000 total and with rollover.
Allowed to sell back.

Rapid re-accrual of 7.5 hrs if out more than 30 days
United has 7hrs
Delta no rapid re-accrual, no rollover, no sell back and capped at 270 max.

Home basing in cities that support it.

COMPENSATION: All 12 year rates. 777 rates reflect group 4 which include 777, 767-4, 787, 340.

On POR, the first raise came.
A320 capt. 167.68. F/O 114.02
B777 capt. 213.02. F/O 144.00

January 2014. 8% increase.

A320 capt. 181.00. F/O 123.14
B777 capt. 230.06. F/O 156.44

January 2015. 3% increase.

A320 capt. 186.53. F/O 236.06
B777 capt. 236.00. F/O 161.00

January 2016. 16.5% increase.

A320 capt. 217.24. F/O 147.72
B777 capt. 275.98. F/O 187.67

If needed, on January 2017 a 3.5% increase. On January 2018, a 3.5% increase.

Why if needed you might ask? Here is the rest of the story.

From the MTA:

"MTA provides parity review that compares DAL and UAL as of January 1, 2016. The parity review will use the average of the DAL and UAL pay rates of the A320 and the 737-800 aircraft weighted for the ASM's flown by each airline."

The other groups will be adjusted from there.

Now, when the APA (USAPA will be offered a seat at the table along with the west pilots) negotiates their JCBA, these numbers can change. Likely up, not expecting down.

Other considerations. AMR pilots getting near $100k each from their portion of the company on exit/merger. Frozen DB plans.

Overall, the APA did well. If we are still in section six in 2017-18, they top us by $40 per on the 330/767-4.

That was a pretty nice bar they set.

Personally, I'd never complain about the 4 hour penalty lap in Atlanta if we had their 1:2 after a two hour sit.

The extra cabbage they get in the 401k be nice too.

While what I have highlighted might be true... you are painting only a small part of the picture. Before you go and anoint the APA as having done something, why don't you do a few TVM calculations as to how much career earnings they LOST their membership over the last 10 years. Money that they will not make up if they top our numbers by probably $100/hour. If you want honesty, you need to exhibit some too in this regard. And their contract is mostly a "me too" type of contract with some minor improvements. Had it not been for ours, they wouldn't have gotten anything neqr what they got.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1687057)

Sorry to inject facts into your diatribe, but I have been flying the line for years now. I spend half my time on reserve (voluntarily) and half regular line.

Well, you've been flying the line for the last two years anyway. Before that, not so much.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1687057)

Here is a homework assignment for you. Find out the committee chairman list from two years ago and then look today. How many are the same? There are about 5 or so out of 30+.

This half truth comes up from time to time. In the past, the reason this was true is because the exact same names just shifted to different committee chairs. As is so often the case with you, while your statement might be technically correct, it's very misleading and specifically designed to mislead. Now the reason this is true for the last two years is because of the breach of trust displayed by committee members during C2012. You all got fired. Again, very misleading for you to infer that there is healthy turnover within the DALPA top-down power structure.

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1687057)

Do you guys just not care if you tell the truth, or do you just assume no one will check.

Half truths, deep distortions and purposely misleading statements don't help your credibility either. Do you not think I will check?

Carl

Have a personal drop request in. Wondering if I should have seen a result by now? When does skids process those?

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1687066)

How are unelected committee guys "powerful?" They only vote when they elect reps or during MEMRAT, the same as everyone else. Is there a Rasputin running around that I don't know about?

Their power comes from the fact that they become subject matter experts and hold the keys to information. When reps try to wield their proper power in a bottom-up fashion, these Committe guys ensure the troublesome reps don't get the information and are always "accidentally omitted" during the conference calls. The other reps see the punishment and marginalization, and view cooperation with the committee guys as the best way to survive politically. That's how the committee guys rule even though they can't vote. Every once in a while, they go too far and anger too many reps and there's a wholesale turnover.

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1687066)

How do they influence the MEC administration, let alone the MEC?

See above.

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Originally Posted by Starcheck102 (Post 1687066)

Help us out by narrowing it down. Go to the DAL MEC website, download the FPL report, and highlight the people you want to send back to the line.

Then you can have a proper witch hunt.

Since we've just been through two necessary purges relatively recently, it's too soon to judge this group.

But since you use one of DALPA's favorite terms "witch hunt", I have to ask: Are you feeling insecure about your committee position or something?

Carl

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Originally Posted by qball (Post 1687470)

Have a personal drop request in. Wondering if I should have seen a result by now? When does skids process those?

With every PCS run (0700, 1200, 1700, 2200 Mecca time*). Next month's run doesn't start until the 20th.

* (these times are submission deadlines. The actual runs could be minutes/hours later.)