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Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1723691)
Yeah, that was my point, I didn't make it too clear I guess. The fact that the last guy to bid into SLC73 was hired 7Jul14, and only 12 guys below him 73, means there weren't any other guys who COULD have bid it--all new guys are jet-locked for a year. Basically it went to the very bottom and only 4 of the 15 total spots were filled.
This is a pretty good illustration that it takes WIDEBODY spots to get the entire LIST to move up--even though I thought all those SLC 73nB spots looked great, they're basically at the bottom of the list, and no one wanted them (or DTW73, LAX73, etc...). All the guys junior enough to want 73 or 320 or 88 or 717 spots have already got one where they want it, now. More NB FO spots doesn't help anyone currently on the list out, just opens spots for new hires. MOREOVER, the guys at the TOP of those NB lists, who would have to bid out and UP in order for me to see any movement, aren't getting enough opportunity to do so... thus, the lists are staying stagnant except at the very bottom. I haven't analyzed where to movement up and into the 110 capt spots came from, whether it all got fully backfilled or not, but the effect was diluted enough to only drive me up a single person in the 73 anywhere. I guess that makes sense with 33 categories x 2 pilot positions = 66 categories. The top 20 cats or so wouldn't see any movement, but that still leaves 46 categories perhaps to spread around just 110 Capt spots, so 1-3 folks moving in any one category makes sense. |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1723446)
Oh come on. How stupid do you think we are? :eek:
Let's look at the 767 Captain rate for example: 2004 (C2K) rate: $267.52 At 78 hours monthly average (I'm guessing that's not too far off from what guys were averaging back then) and adjusting for inflation, that would be $314,428.22 today. Current rate: $219.62 At 87 hours (the last average I saw from DALPA), that would be $229,283.28. The difference between working 78 hours in a month and 87 would be at least another day on average possibly 2. So today's 767 Captain works a day or two more to get $85K less flight pay. I'm not buying your assertion that you're anywhere even remotely close to C2K adjusted for inflation, even with profit sharing... unless you're flying a bunch of green slips or something. Also.....I don't think I'm a 767 CA, but I could be wrong. Never ever said I was the "average" or "we are all doing xxx", I said it was MY personal math. YMMV. I had a couple greenies, but I pulled back 12 days worth of flying at my average to balance out that I worked about a day more per month than the 12-13 back then. (It would have probably actually driven my avg. hrs./day up slightly, but its better to use a lower number and be more conservative when mentioning a current situation). I also made a note that international pilots have a bigger gap to close than I did. I showed fairly detailed math, with examples. What are your days of work and pay hours accrued for the year (including CQ/bank deposits/Dist. Trng.)? I do agree with your 78 hours or so... I actually used 79:15 for my 2004 example, it's better to overstate the comparator for where you want to be, makes it a higher goal to attain. |
Originally Posted by Roadkill
(Post 1723639)
When you add up all the gain/loss, they only added 4 total to SLC of the 15 posted. Bottom guy 11893 added, a 7Jul14 hire. There were only 12 more 73 guys below him, all new in Jul/Aug also, assigned NYC and ATL.
Basically I'd say that a new hire did go to SLC. I'm surprised more of the 15 slots didn't get filled up though. In OTHER analysis, only 7 of the 10 LAX73N B slots got filled, they left 3 unfilled. In DTW, they were supposed to add 5 73nB, but they actually lost 4, so -9 difference they didn't fill, should go to new hires. I know they didn't backfill all the WB, haven't had a chance to add/check those, but they did at least fill the 15 nyc and 15 slc 73nA spots, and the SEA330A spots advertised. SEA330B was backfilled. |
Originally Posted by Delta1067
(Post 1723823)
Be careful quoting a DOH with an AE award. It will send tsquare into a temper tantrum.
That is a post merger DOH which corresponds exactly to seniority until the next merger. |
It is a reality of the biz,it has been going on since C&S. The NE merger was a real beating..... life goes on.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1723466)
Whole lotta love for those wanting LAX and MSP! Congrats JungleBus and Cycle Pilot!
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1723706)
except for the JV portion of our contract.
The hypocrisy really is infuriating. Instead of "Rules of the Road" they should changed it to "OUR Rules, OUR road" |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1723466)
Whole lotta love for those wanting LAX and MSP!
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Are the chances still 0.0% of getting out of a position freeze if they can't fill the open positions? I'd imagine they just go to new hires.
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Originally Posted by surfnski
(Post 1724094)
Are the chances still 0.0% of getting out of a position freeze if they can't fill the open positions? I'd imagine they just go to new hires.
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