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Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1715797)
In seniority for all pilots, no problem. For 747A only, big problem.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1715801)
I agree with that.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1715791)
Get real, how much money do you think is involved in training 40 Captains? Most of the costs are fixed. Your saying if the company offers a ER program in seniority order and fully funds the incentives in the program we should tell them to stick it unless they give us more? The cost for the ER program is almost certain to exceed the training costs. The company will simply say fine we won't do the program. A displacement bid will be posted the next day.
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What's the cost of over staffing the 744 for a little while?
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1715867)
I'm fine with a displacement bid. I have no problem watching 60 year old plus pilots going to training and taking a paycut. I would rather do that than pay them to leave. A lot of junior pilots probably feel the same way as me.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1715867)
I'm fine with a displacement bid. I have no problem watching 60 year old plus pilots going to training and taking a paycut. I would rather do that than pay them to leave. A lot of junior pilots probably feel the same way as me.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1715867)
I'm fine with a displacement bid. I have no problem watching 60 year old plus pilots going to training and taking a paycut. I would rather do that than pay them to leave. A lot of junior pilots probably feel the same way as me.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1715791)
Get real, how much money do you think is involved in training 40 Captains? Most of the costs are fixed. Your saying if the company offers a ER program in seniority order and fully funds the incentives in the program we should tell them to stick it unless they give us more? The cost for the ER program is almost certain to exceed the training costs. The company will simply say fine we won't do the program. A displacement bid will be posted the next day.
And I'm not buying for one second your argument that displacing 747 captains is low cost. Especially if some of them will only be on the new equipment for a few months and then retire. Get real. Management doesn't "fully fund" anything out of the goodness of their hearts. They are offering to do it because it saves them money. |
Originally Posted by casual observer
(Post 1715840)
If your wife and kid are sicked out, I'd call over some of the neighbors and a few strippers to amp it up a little.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1715899)
Get real. Management doesn't "fully fund" anything out of the goodness of their hearts. They are offering to do it because it saves them money.
I think we should have just left the 117 negotiations and this ER deal alone and told them we'll talk about this stuff in 2015. The company is getting everything that gives us leverage out of the way so that they can run the operation for a few years during record profits without negotiating a new contract. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1715911)
Exactly. If they want to "fully fund" the ER program then we need to know the cost difference between that and what the cost would be to displace or just leave the category fat until guys retire on their own. That difference should be divided equally among the rest of us and put into our 401K plan.
I think we should have just left the 117 negotiations and this ER deal alone and told them we'll talk about this stuff in 2015. The company is getting everything that gives us leverage out of the way so that they can run the operation for a few years during record profits without negotiating a new contract. |
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