Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1716038)

Good info PG. Btw, from a real life standpoint, I think most guys would say they felt no benefit from previous early retirement programs. Jettisoning guys a couple years early without replacement/growth aircraft NOW, there is no benefit to the pilot group. It would be better to keep the extra guys around. If that happens the company would likely elect to keep the category overstaffed until the guys at the top retire. That is, unless they are planning even more 747's to go to the bone yard in the next couple years.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716047)

And we were grossly over staffed because we made concessions that were completely not necessary. 99 hour reserve, increased ALV, summer calendar, etc.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1715986)

I'm junior. I don't think we should force a pilot to displace "just because"; nor the guys beneath them that will displace in a waterfall. WTH, would you want someone to do that to you?

The junior 330/765 CA/FO's should be ****ed if they get displaced and the union could have prevented it without it costing a penny of PWA value to the pilot group.

The "bottom" of the 744 CA's are 58-60.. They will displace/stagnate portions of the 777/330/765 categories for 5-6 years. GREAT IDEA, let's do that!:rolleyes:

I like things that move pilots off the top of the list without costing us anything, YMMV.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716047)

And we were grossly over staffed because we made concessions that were completely not necessary. 99 hour reserve, increased ALV, summer calendar, etc.

Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1716030)

Agree 100%. Isn't Carl like 48 years old?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1716041)

In the past 12 hours we've seen gomerglideslope, karnak, humboldt, pineapple guy, shiznit, fly4hire, slow play, and alfaromeo post in support of a buyout in return for....nothing. (I'm sure I'm missing some). The were among the big pushers during C12.

That should tell us all we need to know.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1716041)

In the past 12 hours we've seen gomerglideslope, karnak, humboldt, pineapple guy, shiznit, fly4hire, slow play, and alfaromeo post in support of a buyout in return for....nothing. (I'm sure I'm missing some). The were among the big pushers during C12.

That should tell us all we need to know.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1716070)

Wrong, we were grossly overstaffed because we didn't furlough. Those concessions were not in place in 2012 and we were very much overstaffed. Nice try though, but just wide of the goal.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1715996)

Also--where's MD on this? How about a clear, concise letter (absent the usual legalese and mealy wording) from him stating that we expect to make gains in return for helping solve the company's self-inflicted crisis. And if the company won't provide those gains for every pilot on the list, the company can wait until Section 6 to address the issue.

Nah, what am I thinking. That would require some leadership and resolve.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1716020)

Seems to me the ER is going to target the senior 747 CAs so the junior ones won't get displaced. They don't have to make the ER enticing to a 55 yo, only to the senior guys who will retire soon anyway. All conjecture on my part, I have no idea what is being discussed.