Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1716041)

In the past 12 hours we've seen gomerglideslope, karnak, humboldt, pineapple guy, shiznit, fly4hire, slow play, and alfaromeo post in support of a buyout in return for....nothing. (I'm sure I'm missing some). The were among the big pushers during C12.

That should tell us all we need to know.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1716221)

For money. Plain and simple.

ALPA needs to realize that constructive engagement has ceased to yield benefits for the pilots and is being used by management to neutralize our bargaining power. Its exactly what Richard Anderson candidly admitted, "labor risk has been completely taken off the table".

Every time we sign one of these LOAs that helps management we are sacrificing the opportunity for a little "self help" that doesn't require authorization from the NMB. A little "mini-strike".

Delta isn't bankrupt anymore. They are making money hand over fist while we are still trying to get back to our pre-bankruptcy compensation levels. We need to monetize these deals and take 90% of the savings for ourselves.

This 747 surplus is a perfect example. There is a reason that Dickson said he looks forward to engaging the association to talk about mitigating displacements. Its because they are expensive and he wants to reduce that cost.
Let's say its going to cost the company $50 million to follow the contract. They figure they can "engage" their DALPA friends and push through an ER program that solves the surpluses and only costs the company $20 million. They save $30 million. Management and the union sell it as a win for the pilots because we've avoided the dreaded displacements.
My view is that we should demand roughly $29.9 million to accept the deal. We should avoid the displacements AND take the savings. But DALPA never does. They always use uncertainty and fear of the future to rationalize helping the company in exchange for far too little in return.

I am tired of hearing how little bargaining power we have. It simply isn't true. This corporation is wildly profitable and its largely due to our sacrifices. No more "engaging" until we get paid.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1716181)

They are all DTW based- mostly Asia flying. They are doing TLV for another few weeks.

Have you guys parked anymore whales post bankruptcy? It's my understanding that they are sticking around on the UA side for a while. I should have clarified the other day on my post that I meant current plans to park your whales.


And LETS GO NOLES!!!

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1716041)

In the past 12 hours we've seen gomerglideslope, karnak, humboldt, pineapple guy, shiznit, fly4hire, slow play, and alfaromeo post in support of a buyout in return for....nothing. (I'm sure I'm missing some). The were among the big pushers during C12.

That should tell us all we need to know.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1716244)

While I would rather see guys move up into the 330/777 slots in the next 12 months, I agree with Check on this one. We need to stop giving away all of our leverage or we will never do better than 4/3/3/3. Let the company figure out what to do with the extra guys....they are the ones who figured it would save money to park em.

Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1716207)

Where do you come up with this stuff? Bid monitor report shows us staffed at 9.3% above required on 6/12 and 2.7% on 6/14.

Can we continue our discussion from the other thread on your proposal to make productivity concessions in C2015 in exchange for pay rate increases? You proposed that we:

"Flex more hours it would be for 4 months a year"

How many jobs would your proposal cost and how much is that worth? :eek:

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716353)

I proposed a one time temporary deal in exchange for a MEC promised historic C2015. With zero permanent concessions. 25% hourly increase date of signing without touching profit sharing.

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1716328)

I'm fine with doing nothing, and I'm fine with union negotiations (not constructive engagement). But, instead of cash would rather see small contractual improvements. Violate JV language, ok let's make the ADG 545. Early out, ok, 1 less short call a month. I think every one of these decisions should go to memrat. I want an app where all pilots can vote on everything.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716353)

I proposed a one time temporary deal in exchange for a MEC promised historic C2015. With zero permanent concessions. 25% hourly increase date of signing without touching profit sharing.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716353)

I proposed a one time temporary deal in exchange for a MEC promised historic C2015. With zero permanent concessions. 25% hourly increase date of signing without touching profit sharing.