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Whew. LSU tried really hard to lose that one. T, who ya got tonight?

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1716353)

I proposed a one time temporary deal in exchange for a MEC promised historic C2015. With zero permanent concessions. 25% hourly increase date of signing without touching profit sharing.

So you believe that this temporary concession you offer, allowing the company to flex the ALV for 4 months, will be the leverage you need to get RA to agree to a permanent 25% increase in compensation valued at roughly $500,000,000/year? That's the training waterfall leverage?

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Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1716399)

I love the wild numbers like 50 million being posted as the cost to park a handful of aircraft. Some here should take a look at the entire training departments yearly budget.
Speaking of parking the jets anyone know what the high profile diverts were about on the whale?

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Originally Posted by LOBO (Post 1716386)

And let's bring monthly SILS back rather than this Known Personal Leave!!!!

We still have SILs. The company just never seems to want to offer them.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1716221)

For money. Plain and simple.

ALPA needs to realize that constructive engagement has ceased to yield benefits for the pilots and is being used by management to neutralize our bargaining power. Its exactly what Richard Anderson candidly admitted, "labor risk has been completely taken off the table".

Every time we sign one of these LOAs that helps management we are sacrificing the opportunity for a little "self help" that doesn't require authorization from the NMB. A little "mini-strike".

Delta isn't bankrupt anymore. They are making money hand over fist while we are still trying to get back to our pre-bankruptcy compensation levels. We need to monetize these deals and take 90% of the savings for ourselves.

This 747 surplus is a perfect example. There is a reason that Dickson said he looks forward to engaging the association to talk about mitigating displacements. Its because they are expensive and he wants to reduce that cost.
Let's say its going to cost the company $50 million to follow the contract. They figure they can "engage" their DALPA friends and push through an ER program that solves the surpluses and only costs the company $20 million. They save $30 million. Management and the union sell it as a win for the pilots because we've avoided the dreaded displacements.
My view is that we should demand roughly $29.9 million to accept the deal. We should avoid the displacements AND take the savings. But DALPA never does. They always use uncertainty and fear of the future to rationalize helping the company in exchange for far too little in return.

I am tired of hearing how little bargaining power we have. It simply isn't true. This corporation is wildly profitable and its largely due to our sacrifices. No more "engaging" until we get paid.

Please explain how its going to cost the company anything other than the training....sure won't be a big deal for them. An early out program would certainly benefit the pilot group more than the company....it amazes me how the select group here (not saying you are one of them) goes to chest thumping over the least little thing. Like that behavior has yielded any improvements in this industry in the last decade. Fire away

Offering Sils with a low ALV would certainly mitigate the overstaffing in the 747 category. So... what is this about? Despite the fairly typical donut hyperbole and the equally reliable ALPA talking points, there must be a Paul Harvey hook here... somewhere. Otherwise, just over staff the category until natural attrition balances the staffing. The big picture is not in focus yet.

Why even consider an early retirement program?:confused:

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1716398)

Whew. LSU tried really hard to lose that one. T, who ya got tonight?

True DAT! I wish the Tigers weren't such a 2nd half team. Puts a strain on my heart. It certainly wasn't pretty, but I'll take the win.

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Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1716399)

I believe we should see $1 billion more in C2015 given Delta's profitability and our contribution.

Granting even more permanent concessions is unacceptable and not necessary.

Sadly we will accept longer freezes and fund our hourly increases with reduced profit sharing.

Your mindset that we must give to get no longer applies. RA has promised labor peace. That is the price.

I hope this MEC does not cave.

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Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1716420)

Please explain how its going to cost the company anything other than the training....

the training pipeline is already approaching capacity, especially on the 717. I just saw something from crew resources that every single 717 sim period will be used to prepare for the Summer 15 schedule.

Displacements from the top only make the situation worse by removing folks from the line, and rendering an already staffing-limited schedule unworkable.

In other words...absent us bailing them out, the company may not be in a position to displace anyone. They can't afford to from a manning perspective. Why aren't the DALPA regulars mentioning this limfac? Why are they pushing the company's narrative?

I believe that is why the company is asking for relief, and why we have more leverage than you think.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1716408)

I love the wild numbers like 50 million being posted as the cost to park a handful of aircraft. Some here should take a look at the entire training departments yearly budget.
Speaking of parking the jets anyone know what the high profile diverts were about on the whale?

Its just a guess, but I am going with "armrest fight."

Scoop :D